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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2014, 12:35:50 AM »
New version fixes music loops (probably,) includes shot blockers (definitely,) and resolves a few of the wonkier jumps earlier in the game.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2014, 05:20:15 AM »
Since you updated the game I played through it again for a 3rd time and I gotta say you did a nice job with this update. I've only played the I Wanna Descend Into Hell section not the I Wanna Ascend out of Hell yet.

Improvements:

The problems with the bosses I mention earlier are fixed. They are actually very well done, congrats. My only complaint is that they are still really easy but then again I've been playing Get Rekt a lot so that might be why x3 Still great job with fixing the bosses, a lot more fun.

Music Loops in Wall of Flesh tile set. Congrats the music loops great, I just wish you didn't replace the song  :denRin: I loved the old song but then again I'm majoring in music and a huge orchestra nerd so that might just be me again. But that Oboe solo in the old song was just <3



Problems:

Well not many problems I've encounter other than being really very picky. The first thing I had was in secret 3 with the triggers on the top of the room. Here a picture to help you understand https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k5khro1weyz0cz6/AADgpmL1lbDr-Bbx1MPtsxXua?dl=0 (First Picture)

That Spike I have circle so many times, that trigger is really strict and the hardest trigger I had to dodge in a fangame. It is so precise I spent 20 minutes just trying to get past that secret. If you jump over from the bottom or fall in from the top you have like half a second to dodge and it really hard too since you can't really set it up like others. I would say move the trigger up higher and make it a little slower so instead you just do the gate jump, trigger and jump back through the gate or around so it not as precise.


Second problem I had was save placements. In the second picture that features the Magic Mirror which still still kill you even if you enter the correct mirror in the wrong way. Maybe remove the spikes around the spawning section so the player has time to react before they fall to their doom or make it through. This is just for the correct mirrors though, for the incorrect ones, by all means just spawn them on top of spikes but if they have a correct mirror and enter it a wrong way and die, it will just lead to more confusion to that player. So if correct please give them a fair chance to live by removing the spikes around the new spawning station, at least so they have a second to react.

Anyways back to the save placement problem, this is being extremely picky but now that you have save blockers, please add move saves to the ground and add save blockers. You don't have to do this for every save but for the save as shown in the second picture, where you have to use both jumps to get around those spikes, it just an annoyance. Again very very minor, not a real problem to the game.


Over all I really like the new changes :D I just wish it was in a different engine because now that I actually have some experience with fangames and actually decent with fangames, Yosniper's engine just feels so weird. It will take users a long time to adjust to it, it even took me like 10 minutes to adjust to it but I've beaten Descend into Hell and Praise the Sun so I have experience with his engine now. I don't hate his engine though and I will still play games that uses his engine, it just makes the game that uses them much harder. For your future project I hope you try out another engine because I really think you are a good level designer and switching to a different engine will get a lot more people to play your games. Good luck with the fixes Kyir. Next stop Ascend out of Hell

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2014, 02:52:55 AM »
I'm back again and this time I have beaten the full game as shown here. https://puu.sh/dy7ZZ/12a7b41965.PNG Sub 3 horus Hype  :denProgress:

I've noticed you added some Save Blockers so I actually had to do every screen now, thanks:Kappa: In all seriousness, I actually did have to change my strats for some screens because of the save blockers, such as the last pixie's screen. I mention in the past that I just went off screen to cheat the last save however I actually had to do this time since I couldn't save hover anymore. Wasn't too hard though now that I've gotten a lot better as a player and gotten use to Yosniper's engine. In fact after I got pass that screen, I breezed through the rest of the game in one sitting.

Well the breeze through was a lie since there was one screen that caused me some problem until I figured it out. Not sure if intentional or not but in this screen https://puu.sh/dy805/410d2c2aef.PNG where the red circle is, if you aren't hugging the wall before you jump, you just go straight up into the spikes. If you hugged the wall then everything worked out fine, also this is where I noticed that Yosniper's engine changes aligns sometimes. Even though I was saved against the wall, sometimes I would be off by a few pixels and I would end up straight up again although that a super minor inconvenience and nothing to worry about.

Overall I'm really happy with this game and I really hope you continue making this game because it really is a lot of fun. Oh and in case you are wondering, all the music loops are perfect now :P Hope you continue working on this game Kyir <3

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2014, 05:14:31 PM »
I can't do anything about aligns changing, and I am aware of that screen you pointed out, but each of those objects is approximately two lines of code so there's not a lot of room for subtlety in them. I'm glad the save blockers stopped some of the erroneous screen skipping, but there are definitely more places out there where you can abuse jumping outside of the map.

You're probably the person who has put the most time ever into one of my games at this point. I encourage you to finish a run and get it into a world record thread, because no one will ever beat it probably.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2014, 05:24:03 PM »
Speedrun this weekend Kappa Actually I was considering it to be honest x3 The secrets would probably be the biggest problem for me since one of them took me about twenty or so minutes. For some reason one of the jumps you put in the secret just kept getting me over and over, it was like learning how to play again x3 But other than that I really enjoyed the game :P

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2014, 05:41:55 PM »
To be honest, I'm not sure how you're doing the green crystal secret at all right now. It seem to still be impossible to me.

Oh, nevermind, I remember how I wanted people to do this now. It's probably the hardest segment of the game to figure out at this point though.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2014, 05:47:47 PM by Kyir »

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2014, 05:47:44 PM »
To be honest, I don't really know how I am doing it as well x3 I might play through the opening again later tonight on Twitch. I can highlight the green crystal so you can see how I am doing it, and probably laugh because I'm doing it wrong x3

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2014, 06:47:43 PM »
The point is that now's your chance to challenge cosmic or someone else really good to a race and have a good chance of winning.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2014, 03:36:54 AM »
So I haven't been able to stream because I've been sick but I'm feeling better. Also since you said you didn't know how to do secret three here you go https://puu.sh/dDnyk/4e0648a0ad.mp4 Please please PLEASE Nerf this secret because it is sooo hard with the tight triggers. The jump after the trigger is hard as well but that only because I can't really practice it. I would in Record my jumps but that uses a different engine and wouldn't feel the same. Honestly just remove that trigger or make the trigger hitbox bigger and it will be Sooooo much easier. Thank you Kyir

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2014, 03:25:43 PM »
I'll fix it next time I feel like updating the game. It's definitely not as-intended right now.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2014, 02:51:59 AM »
I fixed the secret (maybe?) and moved most of the saves to ground level except when I had a really good reason to not do so.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2014, 10:22:59 PM »
Was playing through again and find a small problem. Nothing bad for me since I've beaten the game so many times. (also darn it you fixed a skip I was going to use in my speedrun). https://puu.sh/dHivg/0e5b694be8.png  I saved on top of the trigger so when I restart I die right away lol. Not a big problem for me but you should add a save blocker right behind the spike or on top of it to prevent that to happening anyone else.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2014, 03:23:21 AM »
I fixed it, in addition to other problems, in what is the game's final release (can be found at https://www.mediafire.com/download/ij4edwnwxdvhp38/I_Wanna_Descend_Into_Hell.rar ). There is a use for the secrets at the very end of the game, and a number of particularly annoying jumps have been fixed, though I'm sure there are still a few left. Unless someone finds a game shattering bug, this is the last update I'm going to do. Thanks to everyone for playing until now (especially Manny and Paragus) and I hope people enjoy it in the future.

On a side-note, if anyone decides to play on a stream, they should definitely tell me.
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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2014, 04:48:07 AM »
Um Kyir, I think with one of your fixes you accidentally made something impossible https://puu.sh/dHAKv/16ef2158ba.png For some reason it not letting me land there, could have accidentally used the wrong block by accident. Also once I beat the new final version, I will be doing a 100% speedrun on stream :P With how much time I've put into this game it only seems like something I should do.

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Re: I Wanna Descend Into Hell
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2014, 05:08:29 AM »
I fixed it. Download from the link again, replace the game file, and the block should be gone. Please tell me if it's not.
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