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Some needle/platforming questions

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lawatson:
I'm not sure about others, but I normally don't see a need for canceling or valign tricks in needle games. There's a few exceptions where I feel obligated to use it (such as certain jumps in needles like TAS) and maybe some specific jumps in RMJ, but other than that usually I am set with regular shift presses.

JGBMaster:
Basically what Watson said, but you can't know your valigns in 99% of the wiki games so don't worry about them. And if you wanna bunnyhop just keep 5framing (highest jump possible for a gate jump) and then jump as soon as you hit the ground until you get it. You might be confusing vstring with valigns, though. The 2-block trick and other jumps are only possible with a specific vstring, but don't worry much about it either, vstring dependant jumps are only used on really hard needle games and L games.

Regarding jump cancelling, it's only obligatory on really hard needle games and bad games, so if you don't wanna play them there's no need to learn how it works. I personally use jump cancelling a lot and always use rebinds for it because I'm always playing crazy games and testing crazy jumps. :Kappa:

infern0man1:
Basically what Job JGB said; jump cancelling really is needed for only a minute amount of existing jumps, and said jumps generally aren't common in the average needle game.

Also, @BaronBlade, if I recall correctly, GameMaker can't process a press and a release on the same frame; one framing is pressing jump on one frame and releasing it on the next; also, the max jump height is somewhere in the 20s, seeing that the Leehe triple diamond requires a 19-frame jump to pass the first diamond.

Standard gate jumps can be done with 3- to 5-frame jumps if you don't include cactus.

Edit: 900th post hyip

3-headed monkey:
Thanks very much for the detailed replies guys. That all makes sense, I can forget about the real technical stuff for a while then, from what I've seen it's only games like Butterfly Nova, Insanity and maybe Brute that use this stuff.

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