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On Originality In Fangames

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Arclooper:
Wow this got heated :o

To add some more opinion on that, I don't really think the reason you put out as to why people make games... or stuff in general is really universal, some people might really make it just for themselves, but then criticism isn't even that accepted by them because they're not making it for people to like, others make entirely for the purpose of making something popular and I think most people are a midway meeting between those 2.

Also this community really doesn't try to sugarcoat criticism at all, but in general I think the criticism about experimental gimmicks is the application of or the idea itself, but not the fact that the maker experimented, even if you say the game is absolute garbage and the gimmicks are terrible, that doesn't necessarily mean you're discouraging the experimentation itself, and I don't think that happens much here, although we are picky about the physics in the fangames when they're different, usually.

Kyir:

--- Quote from: Katz on August 03, 2015, 10:15:27 PM ---The fact that Kyir blatantly told you to make something more """"""""traditional""""""""" is invalidating just about every argument he made.

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I don't think you guys understand what "hope" means.

I hope they make a more traditional game because they clearly know what they're doing when it comes to code and I enjoy seeing people play these games. That's all? If I wanted to demand that someone make a game exactly according to my specifications I would do that.


--- Quote from: Katz on August 03, 2015, 10:15:27 PM ---Might I add that you've been pretty much starting fires (or well, attempting to) on the other community just for shits and giggles. Just for people to keep in mind when you try to regain your ethos.

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Feel free to try and point out some instance of that happening, but these personal attacks are really counterproductive to what you guys are clearly trying to say. I'd suggest drawing on some examples to support your point instead of just saying Kyir's making tyrannical demands and doesn't understand art (which yes, is an exaggeration.)

Derf:
Ok. I'm busy right now and can't post a full reply, which I will do tomorrow. Just wanted to make a few quick points:

1). When I said fangame community I did not mean this forum & this forum alone. It's not a personal thing, I'm including the other forums of which I have been a part of for almost 6 years, various disparate skype groups and these forums.

2). While Katz and I might have similar opinions, we are separate people making separate points, so saying "you guys" isn't exactly productive when we've said different things, Kyir. There's really no need to paint us with the same brush.

3). It was necessary to continue as I was told by a moderator not to derail further and in my opinion Kyir is wrong. It's a debate and I should not be chastised for responding.

4). Again you keep trying to pretend that I accused you of "demanding" Yoberg do anything, which I did not and do not.

yoburg:

--- Quote from: Kyir on August 03, 2015, 10:22:13 PM ---I hope they make a more traditional game because they clearly know what they're doing when it comes to code and I enjoy seeing people play these games.

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Im 100% sure you wouldn't have said so if you actually saw my code.

Kyir:
You've repeatedly suggested that I was attempting to change their mind (who knows what that is anyway, I have no idea what their intention is regarding game creation going forward,) so while you may have never used to word demand, you've certainly been suggesting that I am actively attempting to change the creator of that game's course, and in fact you suggested that this is a general attitude of the entire community. Both of these are misleading, and closer to being false honestly.

I apologize for including both of you in the same category, and mainly meant it to refer to the personal attacks that both of you were making in the course of discussion.

I really have no interest in continuing this conversation unless you plan on providing specific examples to support your point though. Discussions regarding art, consumption, etc. are inherently going to have some element of opinion, but there's no point in going any further unless you plan on addressing the points I've been trying to make. We'll see tomorrow I suppose.


--- Quote from: yoburg on August 03, 2015, 10:44:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kyir on August 03, 2015, 10:22:13 PM ---I hope they make a more traditional game because they clearly know what they're doing when it comes to code and I enjoy seeing people play these games.

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Im 100% sure you wouldn't have said so if you actually saw my code.

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My coding is pretty much 4th grade level, so I'm sure you're a few tiers of sophistication over me at least.

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