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Derf:
I agree with it being changed to weekly and I'd also like to see smaller streamers being featured as well.
I'm not entirely sure where Moose's assertion that it's only upsetting smaller streamers who want to get big fast is coming from, or how they believe we should qualify being deserved of the feature, but I do take their point that big streamers also deserve recognition regardless of whether they're well known. It's important though to still factor that in to how this is approached, I understand that small streamers typically don't stream as much as more popular ones but this is part and parcel of the fact that a smaller fanbase makes it less viable to stream, of course you have to put the effort in but it's a mutual growth. Also this is just a feature, it's not forcing anyone to actually follow these people, it's just helping their exposure, if the individuals truly believe the person featured isn't deserving of their time they need only click off the stream and continue with their day. Not only that but Moose, you seem to think that time devoted is an essential quality someone must reach a certain threshold in in order to be deserving of advertisement but that's just not the way it works. If someone has the charisma and skill and viewer interaction to warrant a large following when they've only been doing it for a month, then it's not about giving them a random boost or letting them get big fast, it's about giving them exposure and letting the people who will appreciate them find them.
But like I said earlier in this post, I do think that big streamers deserve recognition as well, even moreso. Perhaps a good compromise would be to keep the written bio feature as is just for wannabes (though I still think a weekly swap would be cool) but have a daily/weekly updated tickertape/small box underneath saying something like "Looking for something new? Check out: XXXXXXX" and that features the smaller streamers. I'm not necessarily sure how the vetting process for selecting them would go but I do think it would be nice to have a little link to newcomers as well.
Onto a separate suggestion. The main reason I don't use the site honestly is because of the lack of any real discussion interface. I like the site for the most part but I feel as though a stream of one-off reviews is limiting. I'm not suggesting any massive overhaul but it would be nice if there was a tab under every game where people could discuss them like a kind of mini forum thread. I'm not sure whether I think it should be integrated into reviews as I don't think people should have to defend their opinions and it might just lead to harassment. I think it's useful because only a fraction of the games on the website have a forum analogue and it would be useful to be able to ask questions and discuss every game because some Japanese games might have text that doesn't display on computers with English as the default and instead of these games getting downvoted or ignored by the western community, people could post how to progress. For instance one fangame a while back, I forget the name, had a puzzle where you had to type numbers into a computer, only the text was messed up and the English was badly translated so I had to find a youtube video so I knew what to do as I thought you had to multiply or add the numbers etc. I spoke to Piece about it a while back and he said he'd suggested something similar as well.
Derf:
That's not what I meant.
While it's a nice sentiment and one I wish I could agree with, it's unrealistic to act like the amount of people viewing you shouldn't affect how you much you stream. The truth is streaming to no one is no fun, and with small fanbases there can be times when no one is around so there's no point in streaming. I'm not saying that people are only streaming to get viewers, but I am saying that with more viewers there is more demand and incentive to stream more often. Viewers give the streamer encouragement in their hobby and create a mutual benefit. Not only that but I hardly think its fair to define viewer interaction as something which makes you deserving of a place in the spotlight and then say that actually amount of viewers doesn't matter and act like smaller streamers shouldn't be allowed access to a method of advertisement. I'm an advocate of people doing things they enjoy for themselves and not for other people or posterity, but when the action itself is as inherently communal as streaming it's farcical to act like there isn't a mutual growth and/or relationship.
--- Quote from: subfusc_moose on September 01, 2015, 11:00:34 AM ---TJ pointed out that "a randomly selected actively-streaming Wannabe" will be chosen, which people seemed to ignore. No one never said that small streamers can't be picked.
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That's quite right, but you did imply that small streamers shouldn't be picked over larger ones and you generalised them and their wishes which is what I was ultimately responding to.
JGBMaster:
I honestly would've never thought someone would say big streamers deserve to be more advertised than small ones just because they're more active and have more viewers. I think this is made to make new people know us, to meet new streamers from our Twitch group that we haven't met yet and to give recognition to people who deserve more viewers/being a bit more known. I'm not saying big streamers don't deserve that, but what is the purpose of giving them more recognition than small streamers when like 99% of our community already knows them? Let's just make things equal. And if some streamers don't stream for weeks or even months, just don't advertise them.
--- Quote from: subfusc_moose on September 01, 2015, 09:10:39 AM ---I think this feature is meant to give recognition to the streamers who really deserve it, rather than just boosting random small streamers.
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So you're basically saying that the not-so-famous streamers from our Twitch group are random small streamers who don't deserve to be as much advertised as the big streamers? The main reason why streamers are added to our Twitch group is to make them have a larger audience and being more known in our community, so why would you give them less importance with this feature?
--- Quote from: subfusc_moose on September 01, 2015, 11:00:34 AM ---I got that impression from previous posts and them trying to change the system so they would have higher chance of being chosen. Maybe that's just my imagination.
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You say it as if small streamers were about to take the power or something. Even if small streamers are advertised, it doesn't mean people are gonna stop watching the big streamers just because there's a streamer being advertised. If people don't like the content or just want more stream quality they'll just watch the big streamers because they have more cool things on their stream, because their bitrate is better or because they're just more enjoyable to watch. This won't affect big streamers, they will still keep growing and growing a lot more than the other channels, if that's what bothers you.
--- Quote from: subfusc_moose on September 01, 2015, 12:25:58 PM ---If someone wants to talk in my chat that is fine and I will talk back, but I don't care if no one wants to talk and my chat is dead.
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I agree with that, we don't need viewers or chat activity to be streaming. If small streamers streamed just for the views and followers they would have already given up on streaming because fangames aren't that popular compared to the most played games on Twitch. If they keep streaming is because they have fun, not because of their viewers. But it's always nice to be hosted by other streamers and see that your audience grows, right?
OhNoezEinPandy:
I like the idea of posting frequent news being posted on delfruit. Makes the site a bit more lively. :TriHard:
Wolsk:
I like and support the new feature and agree that the "Wannabe of the Month" should be changed to be weekly.
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