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Title: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on January 10, 2014, 03:57:40 AM
Since a lot of people in the Western community disagree with various decisions in the Korean fangame difficulty list, which we have no influence over, I am going to try to maintain a list for our community. Rather than starting from scratch or using our own rating system, this list was originally copied from the Korean list, and we will edit it to reflect our different opinions. Our rating system will also be from 0-99, with 0 being completely trivial and 99 being arguably not humanly possible. Maybe later we can define better what these rankings mean and what factors should be considered in difficulty (difficulty of individual segments, total length, etc.).

This will be handled less formally than the Korean list (for now). It will be edited as people give suggestions rather than in massive updates. The way suggestions will work now is that players with suggestions (new games or changing current rankings) must give some amount of explanation for the opinion, and I’ll tentatively add it to the list. I give below my reasoning for my initial edits. If someone else disagrees with a decision, you can discuss here and hopefully come to a consensus. Please no troll games, one-jump games, absurdly bad games, etc. This list should be seen as a “suggested fangame” list for players for whatever level they seek, so having several good lv. 80 fangames is preferable to several bad lv. 80 fangames.

Hopefully, enough of you guys will give input here as you complete games to make this list thoroughly ours and not just a slight alteration to the Korean list. Throw in any fangames you feel deserve to be played with a suggested level, and of course critique games that are already here if you disagree with their positions.

Updates - Outdated - Swordslinger

Blue = unranked on Korean list
Red = ranked differently on Korean list

Lv 00 : I Wanna See the Barrage   [Clear]
Lv 04 : I Wanna Be The Very Easy Game
Lv 05 : I Wanna be the ChokoChoko   [Clear]
Lv 16 : I Wanna be the GGM    [Medium]
Lv 23 : I Wanna Conquer The Blow Game [Medium]
Lv 25 : I Wanna Enjoy the Game   [Medium]
Lv 29 : I Wanna Eat The Rori Girl [Clear]
Lv 29 : I Wanna Be The Heart
Lv 31 : I Wanna Go To The Moon [Clear]
Lv 32 : I Wanna Be The Lizardmanmaster 7.5
Lv 39 : I Wanna be the Art    [Clear]
Lv 40 : I Wanna be the GBR    [Medium]
Lv 40 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 2  [Medium]
Lv 41 : I Wanna be the Perfection 1   [Clear]
Lv 42 : I Wanna be the Fortress Returns  [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 42 : I Wanna Graduate From DT
Lv 43 : I Wanna be the DarkBlue   [Medium]
Lv 44 : I Wanna Escape the Volcano   [Medium]
Lv 45 : I Wanna be the GreeeeeN   [Medium]
Lv 45 : I Wanna Escape The Mysterious House [Medium]
Lv 45 : I Wanna be the FC    [Medium]
Lv 46 : I Wanna be the Guy    [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 46 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 3  [Medium]
Lv 46 : I Wanna Macaron    [Medium]
Lv 47 : I Wanna be the Popularity   [Medium]
Lv 48 : I Wanna Awake    [Medium]
Lv 49 : I Wanna be Colorful    [Clear]
Lv 49 : I Wanna be the ShowDown   [Medium]
Lv 51 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Easy]
Lv 52 : I Wanna be the Tribute   [Clear]
Lv 52 : I Wanna be the Popularity   [Hard]
Lv 53 : I Wanna be the 500    [Medium]
Lv 53 : I Wanna be the DIVA -Extend-  [Clear]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]
Lv 54 : I Wanna Run the Terminal   [Medium]
Lv 55 : I Wanna be the Fangame   [Medium]
Lv 55 : I Wanna be the BEST Guy 1   [Clear]   [Extra]
Lv 55 : I Wanna Exterminate the Monsters  [Medium]
Lv 55 : I Wanna Be The Purple Zone
Lv 56 : I Wanna Rose Gear    [Medium]   [Normal]
Lv 56 : I Wanna Escape The Mysterious House Difficult Mode [Medium]
Lv 57 : I Wanna Anesthesia    [Medium]   [Extra]
Lv 57 : I Wanna Be The Sunflower Fairy Kid Mode [Easy]
Lv 57 : I Wanna be the 1Day   [Medium]
Lv 57 : I Wanna be the Uhuhu Spike 2  [Clear]
Lv 58 : I Wanna be the Salt    [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 58 : I Wanna be the 針雪 1   [Clear]
Lv 58 : I Wanna Go Across The Rainbow [Medium]
Lv 58 : I Wanna be the 2Day   [Medium]
Lv 58 : I Wanna be the Uhuhu Spike 1  [Clear]
Lv 59 : I Wanna be the 0    [Clear]
Lv 59 : I Wanna be the Skyclad   [Medium]
Lv 59 : I Wanna be the 針雪 3   [Clear]
Lv 60 : I Wanna be the 針雪 2   [Clear]
Lv 60 : I Wanna be the Uhuhu Spike 3  [Clear]
Lv 60 : I Wanna be the Manhole   [Clear]
Lv 61 : I Wanna Rose Gear    [Medium]   [Extra]
Lv 61 : I Wanna PPP    [Medium]
Lv 62 : I Wanna be the Guy : Gaiden   [Medium]   [Demo]
Lv 62 : I Wanna be the 最後の針雪   [Clear]
Lv 62 : I Wanna be the 3200min   [Clear]
Lv 63 : I Wanna be the HeavenTrap 2   [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 63 : I Wanna be the Guy    [Hard]   [No Secret]
Lv 63 : I Wanna Be The Zeus [Medium]
Lv 64 : I Wanna See the Moon   [Basic]
Lv 64 : I Wanna Be The 36.0 [Medium]
Lv 64 : I Wanna Escape The Weird Museum [Clear]
Lv 65 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Normal]
Lv 65 : I Wanna be the RUKIMIN 7   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 65 : I Wanna be the BEST Guy 2   [Clear]
Lv 66 : I Wanna be the Sprit (KOR)   [Medium]
Lv 66 : I Wanna 大佛    [Medium]
Lv 66 : I Wanna Be The Spinal Fluid [Clear]
Lv 67 : I Wanna Be The 8bit [Demo] [Hard]
Lv 67 : I Wanna be the Reduction   [Medium]
Lv 67 : I Wanna be With You   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 68 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 1   [Medium]
Lv 68 : I Wanna be the Bloody Stream  [Clear]
Lv 68 : I Wanna Celebrate 100 [Medium]
Lv 68 : I Wanna be the Orbit   [Medium]
Lv 68 : I Wanna be the Weegee   [Clear]   [Demo]
Lv 68 : I Wanna Capture the Labyrinth  [Clear]   [Extra]
Lv 69 : I Wanna be the Genius   [Medium]
Lv 69 : I Wanna be the Suvivor   [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 69 : I Wanna be the Factorization  [Medium]
Lv 69 : I Wanna be Assaulted   [Medium]
Lv 69 : I Wanna Play the Endurance 2  [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna be the SharpNess   [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna Be The Saturn [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna Be The Biotope
Lv 70 : I Wanna be the Humantic   [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna be the Animism   [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Hard]
Lv 71 : I Wanna AYP    [Medium]
Lv 71 : I Wanna be the Phantom   [Medium]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 1   [Clear]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Perpect Blood   [Clear]
Lv 72 : I Wanna Lie    [Medium]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Fangame   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Kaikun   [Clear]   [No Extra]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the White Cherry   [Medium]   [Extra]
Lv 73 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 2   [Clear]
Lv 73 : I Wanna be the Sorrow   [Medium]
Lv 73 : I Wanna be the T    [Medium]
Lv 74 : I Wanna Kill the Guy   [Clear]   [Demo]
Lv 74 : I Wanna Be The Prism [Medium]
Lv 74 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 3   [Clear]
Lv 74 : I Wanna be the GB    [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 75 : I Wanna be the Color   [Medium]
Lv 75 : I Wanna be the Tune   [Clear]
Lv 75 : I Wanna Break the Agate -Easy-  [Medium]
Lv 75 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 1  [Impossible]
Lv 75 : I Wanna See the Eclipse   [Medium]
Lv 75 : I Wanna Play the Endurance 2  [Hard]
Lv 75 : I Wanna be the Azure   [Medium]
Lv 75 : I Wanna be the Preference   [Medium]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Hidden   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Synchro   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the PTSD   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Qut    [Medium]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Musicgames   [All Clear]  [Demo]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Gumiku   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the Boshy   [EZ-MODE]
Lv 76 : I Wanna Defeat the CNG   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna Be The Lizardmanmaster 9 [Impossible 30HP]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the Explorer   [Medium]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the DP 2    [Medium]
Lv 77 : I Wanna Appreciate The Meteor Stream [Medium]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the HeavenTrap 1   [Medium]
Lv 77 : I Wanna Be the Shrine Maiden 1   [Clear]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the Wrinkle   [Clear]   [No Extra]
Lv 78 : I Wanna be the ´.ω.)   [Clear]
Lv 78 : I Wanna be the Symmetry   [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 78 : I Wanna Be The Lizardmanmaster 9.5 [Impossible 50HP]
Lv 78 : I Wanna be the Galaxy   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 78 : I Wanna be the Flower   [Medium]
Lv 78 : I Wanna be the Permanence   [Medium]
Lv 79 : I Wanna be the Scapegoat   [Medium]
Lv 79 : I Wanna Play the Endurance 1  [Clear]
Lv 79 : I Wanna See The Moon [Difficult]
Lv 79 : I Wanna L     [Clear]
Lv 79 : I Wanna Bye The Bye
Lv 80 : I Wanna be the Symmetry   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 80 : I Wanna be the Very Best   [Clear]   [No Secret]
Lv 80 : I Wanna Play the Endurance 2   [Very Hard]
Lv 80 : I Wanna be the TsuTaMao   [Clear]
Lv 80 : I Wanna be the Guy    [Very Hard]  [No Secret]
Lv 81 : I Wanna See the Moon   [Difficult]
Lv 81 : I Wanna be the Unknown   [Medium]
Lv 81 : I Wanna be the Hades   [Medium]
Lv 81 : I Wanna be the Gunfighter   [Medium]
Lv 81 : I Wanna be the うんたらかんたら  [Clear]
Lv 81 : I Wanna Be The Needle Reaper [Clear]
Lv 81 : I Wanna TC    [Medium]
Lv 82 : I Wanna be the King    [Medium]   [Demo]
Lv 82 : I Wanna be the Dieary   [Medium]   [Extra]
Lv 82 : I Wanna be the Rainbow MIKU   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 82 : I Wanna be the Wrinkle   [Clear]   [Extra]
Lv 83 : I Wanna be the Barrage 1   [Clear]
Lv 83 : I Wanna Avoid the Anxious   [Clear]
Lv 83 : I Wanna be the Boshy   [Totally-Average]
Lv 83 : I Wanna Be The Needle Reaper 2
Lv 83 : I Wanna be the Disaster   [Clear]
Lv 84 : I Wanna be the Revolution   [Clear]
Lv 84 : I Wanna be the Justice   [Medium]
Lv 84 : I Wanna be the Music   [Extreme]
Lv 85 : I Wanna Be The Rubik's Cube [Clear]
Lv 85 : I Wanna Hope The End Of [Normal]
Lv 85 : I Wanna be the Orpheus   [Clear]
Lv 85 : I Wanna be the Boshy   [Hard-on]
Lv 85 : I Wanna Hunyuu Pun Pun [Clear]
Lv 86 : I Wanna be the DP 1    [Medium]
Lv 87 : I Wanna be the GR    [Medium]
Lv 87 : I Wanna Go The DotKid Easy Mode [Medium]
Lv 87 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 2  [Impossible]
Lv 87 : I Wanna Be The Hato [Clear]
Lv 88 : I Wanna Enjoy the Excursion   [Clear]   [No Extra]
Lv 88 : I Wanna be the DP 3    [Medium]
Lv 88 : I Wanna Be The Singularity
Lv 88 : I Wanna Hope The End Of [Hard]
Lv 88 : I Wanna Be The Goner [Clear]
Lv 88 : I Wanna Break Through Seven Trials
Lv 88 : I Wanna be the Hidden+   [Clear]
Lv 89 : I Wanna be the Locus   [Medium]
Lv 89 : I Wanna be the PYF    [Medium]
Lv 89 : I Wanna SunSpike [Clear]
Lv 89 : I Wanna Play The Catastrophe [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Defeat the Arrangement  [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Loner   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Be The Needle Master [All Modes]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Tempest   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be a Big Man!   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Lime    [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Be The Flower Of Sorrow [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Needle Satan   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Hope the End of   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Be The Alphabet [Extra Clear]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the . q . p .   [Clear]
Lv 91 : I Wanna Be The Crimson
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the White & Black   [Clear]
Lv 91 : I Wanna make it Breaking Out  [Medium]   [No Secret]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the Gentle Needle   [Clear]
Lv 91 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 3  [Impossible]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the Secret   [Medium]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the Black   [Medium]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the どーたらこーたら  [Clear]
Lv 92 : I Wanna be the Butterfly   [Medium]
Lv 92 : I Wanna be the RZ    [Medium]
Lv 92 : I Wanna Be The Butterfly Nova [Possible Mod]
Lv 92 : I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 2 [Clear] [No Extra]
Lv 92 : I Wanna go the DotKID!   [Medium]
Lv 92 : I Wanna Bye The Bye The Bye Bye [Clear]
Lv 92 : I Wanna be the Contrary   [Clear]
Lv 92 : I Wanna Hope the    [Medium]
Lv 92 : I Wanna be the Sadist   [Medium]
Lv 92: I Wanna Keep My Mental [Difficult]
Lv 93: I Wanna See You Suffer  [Massive Weenie]  [Demo]
Lv 93 : I Wanna be the Lunatic   [Cherry Kid]
Lv 93 : I Wanna be the Palladium   [Clear]
Lv 93 : I Wanna Be The MMM [Clear]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Destination   [Medium]
Lv 94 : I Wanna Be the Shrine Maiden 2    [Clear]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Catastrophe   [Clear]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Popularity   [Very Hard]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Revolution   [All Perfect]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Fangame   [Impossible]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the GB    [Impossible]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Boshy   [Rape]
Lv 95 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Lunatic]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Emperor   [Medium]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Maze   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Guy    [Impossible]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Lunatic   [Extra Cherry Kid]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Break the 3 Makers 3  [Clear]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Be The Cherry [Oblivion]
Lv 96 : I Wanna be the Disaster   [All Perfect]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [No Secret]
Lv 97 : I Wanna be a Brute of a Man [Possible Mod]  [Medium]
Lv 97 : I Wanna be the LoveTrap   [Big Kid]
Lv 97 : I Wanna be the TAS 1   [Medium]
Lv 97 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 97 : I Wanna be the TIS    [Clear]
Lv 98 : I Wanna See You Suffer [Masochist]
Lv 99 : I Wanna be the Music   [Kumikyoku Extreme]
Lv 99 : I Wanna be the TAS 2   [Medium]
Lv 99 : I Wanna be the LoveTrap   [Extra Big Kid]  [Find Secret] [Extra]

See the Barrage: I figured I should add one fangame to the absolute bottom of the list. This seemed like a good choice for lv. 01 since it’s literally as easy as possible, but is worth including since it’s actually kind of cool and has a good reason for existing.

Brute: Game remains unbeaten, despite rather significant popularity. Last few segments could take extremely long time to beat, so 97 is rather arbitrary. As the furthest player in the game (with proof), I’m going on my instinct here, but I’ll adjust it based on my future progress. Note about mod is obvious. “Clear” changed to “Medium” since it has multiple difficulties.

Destination: Definitely harder than Kamilia 2, is as hard or harder than the other lv. 94 challenges.

Shrine Maiden 1: Tricky final boss, overall not particularly hard.

Shrine Maiden 2: I found this game harder than Kamilia 2, with multiple parts taking many hours (Yukari ~50 hours, Reimu ~100 hours). My Yukari time has been consistent with other players, though at least two players beat Reimu sub 10. These inconsistencies and lack of players who have won make pinning it down hard, but for now I won’t put it higher than 94.

Suffer: Rather tough to rate. Very few have beaten it despite being very well known. It’s not long but it has some really hard segments that will depend highly on the specific player.

Boshy: several difficulties lowered because general consensus that it is way over-ranked. I only lowered by a few levels though because Solgryn is a very difficult fight that takes many hours on one’s first playthrough.

Lunatic: Rather well known challenge that few have beaten. Most get stuck on the final boss, and, like LoveTrap, there’s an even harder true last boss. Rankings based on times taken to beat these bosses by various Japanese players.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: HAEGOE on January 10, 2014, 04:33:10 AM
I have a suggestion. How about Red for games ranked higher than M-Level, Blue for games ranked Lower, and Something else(Green for example) for unranked on korean list?
I think just a red letter for games ranked differently won't tell you whether the game is ranked higher or lower than the korean list if you don't read why and not everyone wants to read it. and I started to think my suggestion is pointless because not everyone wants to see if some games are higher or lower than the korean list either
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on January 10, 2014, 05:10:50 AM
We'll see. Right now we're trying to rework the basic list in a Google Spreadsheet, and will post the progress here later.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on January 10, 2014, 07:01:43 AM
Blood festival?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: dYnAm1c on January 10, 2014, 10:21:18 AM
I dont understand why there are impossible's in these rankings

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Lv 91 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 3  [Impossible]

rofl thats stupid, you could just add every game in impossible and we would have 2000 fangames > lvl 90...
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ethinthenougathorn on January 10, 2014, 10:43:37 AM
its great to make a ranking everyone can participate in!!!
i think, you should give a ranking for keep my mental and butterfly nova, maybe?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on January 10, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
I dont understand why there are impossible's in these rankings

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Lv 91 : I Wanna Conquer the Blow Game 3  [Impossible]

rofl thats stupid, you could just add every game in impossible and we would have 2000 fangames > lvl 90...

conquer the blow games are intended to be played on impossible,
the only other games that have impossible listed are ones where it is fairly popular to do so, making it entirely logical.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Cloudart on January 11, 2014, 02:20:18 AM
How about I Wanna Escape From Here? That one was quite fun and probably 30-40s. Or does that one not count since it is a slightly different format?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Derpyhoovesiwbtg on January 11, 2014, 02:37:15 AM
Why is Zeus so low? It is one of those fangames barely anyone would beat.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Ario147 on January 11, 2014, 03:19:35 AM
Why is Zeus so low? It is one of those fangames barely anyone would beat.

Ugh, i never played Zeus, but I saw all the game, and believe me, most of people would clear it in like 40minutes.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: TheMarios327 on January 16, 2014, 12:17:20 AM
Lv100 : I Wanna See The Barrage   [Moving]

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Lv 94 : I Wanna be the Revolution   [All Perfect]

I think that should've out. None of the bosses is hard to perfect except maybe Yawaraka, but it's so short that even if it takes you like 3000 tries it's not that bad. There's other things I disagree with, but it's mostly avoidance so I don't think it matters that much, plus this is just starting.
As for additions, IWBT Kirwy is pretty good overall, some stages are quite interesting. Kill The Needle Games could be in too I guess, although since it's still unbeaten (as far as I know at least) it'll be hard to rank it.
Edit: Revolution all perfect should'nt be out actually. But I don't think it's hard enough to even be Lv 8x. I play way too much avoidance though, so that's probably why it's easier for me than others. Idk, It's very hard to rate needle/avoidance games in a single list, since they require different skills.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on January 16, 2014, 05:09:50 AM
Why is Zeus so low? It is one of those fangames barely anyone would beat.

there's only about 2-3 hard saves in that game, and most of them are just bad align. the rest is easy.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: - Juju Mas - on January 17, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
I dont know why Uhuhu Spike 3 is level 60 and 3200min is 62.
3200min is a lot easier than Uhuhu Spike 3.
I beated 3200min preety fast and if I had Uhuhu Spike 3 I dont think I will clear it.
Also, I think I Wanna Be The Guy is too low ranked.
Showdown, Conquer the Blow game 3 and Popularity in medium difficulty are for me easier than IWBTG.
If you desagree please answer.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on January 17, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
you could probably thin down the list by removing all these impossible to find or private games, they really don't need to be or even should be on there. if its not on the wiki or at least open download. its just clutter. I mean. how many of us are gonna play a lot of these games ever for those ratings to be useful?
Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ethinthenougathorn on January 17, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
you could probably thin down the list by removing all these impossible to find or private games, they really don't need to be or even should be on there. if its not on the wiki or at least open download. its just clutter. I mean. how many of us are gonna play a lot of these games ever for those ratings to be useful?
Just my opinion.

he could thin out, but there are so many games missing in this list anyways.... 
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on January 17, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
that is true, but to me I feel like the list should be well organised, easy to read and have useful information in order to be useful. Just throwing that idea out there in advance in the event in becomes too much of a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on January 17, 2014, 10:53:01 PM
There's a lot I'd do to fix this list. I do have multiple ideas, and the suggestions on this thread so far have been good. The reason I haven't been updating this thread is because Sword and I have been trying to make a more accurate "starting place" for the list that will be better accustomed for our community before we get into the whole player feedback system, though that's been going slowly since I don't really have much free time anymore. :P

If I continue having as little free time as I have, I'll see if anyone else is willing to take over this list and give that person everyone that's been worked on so far.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on January 23, 2014, 09:53:58 AM
Ratings for charr with and without red coin would be cool :3
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on January 23, 2014, 11:48:01 AM
Don't worry, I made sure to include it. The new list is mostly in order; I'll post it soon. Then we'll let everyone post suggestions and whatnot.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on January 23, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
For whenever you're ready to take suggestions: I'm seriously surprised that I Wanna End the Blood Festival wasn't on either of the lists, considering it was in Kamilia 2.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 08, 2014, 06:08:14 PM
4/8/2014 Update: Kinataknight is an extremely busy man so it's hard to discuss with him when i can, however @Infernoman1 I am ready to take suggestions from anybody, just send me a message on twitch with a list of games you want to see on there and I will see what strings i can pull, However Fake Games/Troll Games (Such as I Wanna Be The Booty, I Wanna Get My Daily dose, etc) will not be on this list.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on April 08, 2014, 06:14:24 PM
If Star is able to do this, it would probably be helpful if Sword has permission to edit the OP. At this point, he is probably more in control of this then me, since, like he said, I don't have much time to be involved in this community anymore.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 09, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
Now that the list is updated, please post suggestions on what to put in, Infernoman1 i already got your request for blood festival and I will think about rating it.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on April 10, 2014, 04:29:45 AM
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Loner   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Goner   [Clear]

these games are in no way on the same level, let alone with goner over loner. loner is like 50 times harder than goner

Needle master is also not harder than gentle needle, in reality needle master isnt even that bad. imo overrated now. especially seeing as that's where I would place i wanna 」.
hapil also shouldn't be listed because its not even possible, kamilia only did so as a joke.
the whole list is pretty much a mess in need of some serious tidying but those are the things that stood out to me.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Loner   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Goner   [Clear]

these games are in no way on the same level, let alone with goner over loner. loner is like 50 times harder than goner

Needle master is also not harder than gentle needle, in reality needle master isnt even that bad. imo overrated now. especially seeing as that's where I would place i wanna 」.
hapil also shouldn't be listed because its not even possible, kamilia only did so as a joke.
the whole list is pretty much a mess in need of some serious tidying but those are the things that stood out to me.
Goner will be lowered to 88, needle master will be lowered to 90,

I have not played Gentle Needle yet so i can't judge it.

as for happil 2 it will be removed.

Thank you for the suggestions
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Paragus on April 10, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Starz0r on April 10, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.
Lol. While your game may be easy I don't think it is 'that' easy. Get Cultured is around a 2 hour game while Yellow Star is something that can be cleared in under 30 minutes.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]

This sounds better.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Paragus on April 10, 2014, 12:16:49 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.
Lol. While your game may be easy I don't think it is 'that' easy. Get Cultured is around a 2 hour game while Yellow Star is something that can be cleared in under 30 minutes.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]

This sounds better.

I don't have a lot of time to study the list to make a judgement on where it should be, but I noticed....

Lv 68 : I Wanna Celebrate 100 [Medium]

Our game is definitely harder than this one.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 01:42:11 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.

Considering that the game is not out yet, that does not mean I can just give Kinata a link to one of your old streams of you playing the game all the way through, our discussion was like, 2 hours long, thoughts were being thrown around, However do not expect the game modes on this list, there are way too many and it feels as if cultured would take over the entire list.  The rooms were analyzed and talked about so the ball was rolling a lot, this is how unreleased games will be talked about, just find a video or a stream and go back and watch it, if I could go back and watch You's stream of him play testing his new game, that would be on this list too considering that he makes some of the best avoidance out there. (XX, Flower of Sorrow, OD, TC, etc)

As for Celebrate 100, there are some harder saves in it and not to mention, a few annoying bosses, I think i would find the game harder then cultured around the floor 60's, since those saves are very long.

I did not add difficult on the list mainly because it's unfinished, the normal mode pretty much is, why was Kamilia 3 on M level before it was released? No one has even played the game except for the testers, which your game has some, if you want me to rethink the level i will ask Stinkycheese but other then that, I think it's staying right there.

I will think about it, like i said i may ask stinkycheese, but at this point i'm not sure if I should move it or not. Cultured as it is now, if the original areas stayed as they were in the older updates, this game would be much higher on the list. I will talk with thwink2 or casualcrap later since i invited them to work on this list and for the fact that they're very experienced players.

This is all i can say at this point.
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@Kinata 70's would be taking the game way too far, maybe 60 or 61 might work?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on April 10, 2014, 01:45:06 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.

Ratings for mostly completed games that aren't yet released are often included if it's a game that is expected to be popular and that people will be curious about. Due to the difficulty at the end of the game, I'm inclined to say the ranking should be raised to lower or mid 60's.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Starz0r on April 10, 2014, 02:12:21 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.
Lol. While your game may be easy I don't think it is 'that' easy. Get Cultured is around a 2 hour game while Yellow Star is something that can be cleared in under 30 minutes.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]

This sounds better.

I don't have a lot of time to study the list to make a judgement on where it should be, but I noticed....

Lv 68 : I Wanna Celebrate 100 [Medium]

Our game is definitely harder than this one.
As a person who has played Get Cultured I have to say your game is not harder than Celebrate 100. Now on Difficult Mode that may be a different story.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 68 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [Difficult]

A more detailed analysis would show

Lv 63 : I Wanna be the HeavenTrap 2   [Medium]   [No Secret] "HeavenTrap 2 obviously much harder than Cultured."
Lv 63 : I Wanna Be The Zeus [Medium] "Needle Game"
Lv 64 : I Wanna See the Moon   [Basic] "Has some difficult parts, all around long ass game, normal playthroughs are about 4-8 hours."
Lv 65 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Normal] ":Kappa:"
Lv 65 : I Wanna be the RUKIMIN 7   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra] "If you include extra in Rukimin then it is harder than Cultured."
Lv 65 : I Wanna be the BEST Guy 2   [Clear] "I doubt Cultured gets much harder than this, even though the difficulty comes from the bosses."
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Plynq on April 10, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
i think some of the Ratings on the avoidance games are a little off so this is my opinion on the games

I wanna be the contrary lvl 91
I wanna bye the bye lvl 77
I wanna be the xx lvl 77
I wanna be the wrinkle lvl 75
I wanna be the wrinkle extra lvl 76
I wanna be the OD lvl 74
I wanna be the Synchro lvl 76
I wanna be the Synchro+ lvl 82
I wanna be the Crazy xx lvl 88
I wanna be the Hato lvl 87
I wanna bye the bye the bye bye lvl 92
I wanna be the Palladium lvl 94
I wanna sunspike lvl 78
I wanna be the Humantic lvl 74
I wanna be the Hidden lvl 78
I wanna be the Hidden+ lvl 83
I wanna be the Rubik's Cube lvl 85
I wanna bye the entrance lvl 89
I wanna be the Flower of Sorrow lvl 87
I wanna be the Lime lvl 90
I wanna be the Denparadigm lvl 80
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 02:51:27 PM
i think some of the Ratings on the avoidance games are a little off so this is my opinion on the games

I wanna be the contrary lvl 91
I wanna bye the bye lvl 77
I wanna be the xx lvl 77
I wanna be the wrinkle lvl 75
I wanna be the wrinkle extra lvl 76
I wanna be the OD lvl 74
I wanna be the Synchro lvl 76
I wanna be the Synchro+ lvl 82
I wanna be the Crazy xx lvl 88
I wanna be the Hato lvl 87
I wanna bye the bye the bye bye lvl 92
I wanna be the Palladium lvl 94
I wanna sunspike lvl 78
I wanna be the Humantic lvl 74
I wanna be the Hidden lvl 78
I wanna be the Hidden+ lvl 83
I wanna be the Rubik's Cube lvl 85
I wanna bye the entrance lvl 89
I wanna be the Flower of Sorrow lvl 87
I wanna be the Lime lvl 90
I wanna be the Denparadigm lvl 80

Considering on how experienced you are with avoidance plynq i will take these suggestions under consideration, thank you for the support, also on a side question, If you is making a new game, do you have any idea when it will be released?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Plynq on April 10, 2014, 02:56:01 PM
i can ask him on skype when he gets online but i guess when he is done testing it.
also one more game ^^
I wanna revenge the doruppi lvl 87
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Paragus on April 10, 2014, 03:25:54 PM
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]

What?   Where did you come up with this? Considering our game isn't out and only 3 people in total have played our game through to the end I'm wondering why our game is on the list and where this rating came from.  Yellow Star is a 15-20 minute long face roll game, and out of our 7 Stages of increasing difficulty, we put it into Stage 1.  Maybe you should take this off the list until you actually play it.
Lol. While your game may be easy I don't think it is 'that' easy. Get Cultured is around a 2 hour game while Yellow Star is something that can be cleared in under 30 minutes.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]

This sounds better.

I don't have a lot of time to study the list to make a judgement on where it should be, but I noticed....

Lv 68 : I Wanna Celebrate 100 [Medium]

Our game is definitely harder than this one.
As a person who has played Get Cultured I have to say your game is not harder than Celebrate 100. Now on Difficult Mode that may be a different story.

Lv 62 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [No Difficult]
Lv 68 : I Wanna Get Cultured [Clear] [Difficult]


Pieceofcheese tells me whatever version you have does not have the final boss.  So it's at least a month old if not older.   Would you judge Boshy's rating without seeing the final boss?   Pretty sure our final boss is quite a bit harder than celebrate 100s.

Why are people rushing to rate games that are not public releases yet?   You are having 2 hour long chats about the difficulty of an unreleased game so you can prematurely add it to a list?   Oh wait, you watched me play it so that means you can easily judge how hard it is.  Watching someone play their own fangame is always the best measurement to tell how hard a game is right?

Can you see how revealing this is about the time you guys are spending on this thing?  You have people rating games that none of them have ever played before they are even released to the public.   What other games on here are just being judged from watching youtube videos?  Maybe you guys can put the difficulty rating up for TJ and Klazen's game before it comes out.

Also you do realize you are rating "bifficult" mode a 68 when... IT'S ONLY 50% COMPLETE.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on April 10, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
You ALL need to calm the hell down. This is just a list to show people's opinions on certain fangames. It's still in an early stage and mistakes can be made. Don't rat out on them for making a SINGLE FUCKING MISTAKE that can be easily fixed.


As a rule to add: Don't add games to the list that HAVEN'T BEEN MADE PUBLIC YET.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Plynq on April 10, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
That rule would remove so many games from this list as most of them are private like all of the dagger games
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on April 10, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
I meant that games that aren't 100% finished AND have never been released before should be removed. Most of dagger's games were public once, and people still have them.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 05:14:07 PM
I agree with infernoman although i don't think it seems like it's worth removing it at this point when its almost finished, but we need to calm down. Although I will be putting some thought into it. I will talk with Casual and Thwink about it. but the game is not going any higher then 63 maybe, please keep in mind though, this list is one big opinion, it is not even close to 100% accurate, it may be accurate to people's personal criteria but on the other hand, it may not. As for unfinished games, I Wanna See You Suffer is not even close to being finished but it is public (Its not a good game though) so for the people that beat it (Shadowlink, Stinky, Kinata, etc) have an idea of what the game is made out of, and believe it or not, someone actually did Masochist/Impossible on that game and it is very relentless, which is why the difficulty setting got its own rating.

I hope this does help and i do mean this in the nicest way possible :)
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Sephalos on April 10, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
Can I be a Lv09 bard?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
Can I be a Lv09 bard?

NO! :Kappa:
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: TheMarios327 on April 10, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Lv 70 : I Wanna Be The Saturn [Medium]
Lv 83 : I Wanna Avoid the Anxious   [Clear]
Lv 89 : I Wanna SunSpike [Clear]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the GB    [Impossible]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Maze   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Be The Cherry [Oblivion]
Saturn is way too high considering that Zeus is 63 and Genius 69, I'd probably rate it Lv58 since it was easier than Uhuhu 3 for me.
Avoid The Anxious should be Lv 76 imo, it was WAY easier than Play The Endurance 2 on VH which is at Lv 80.
Sunspike is much easier than Rubik's Cube imo. I haven't gotten far on Rubik's Cube so can't rate, but the boss is certainly much harder than Sunspike's.
Isn't GB a game with hundreds of triggers and some tricky segments :P? I'm pretty sure GB on impossible is harder than IWBTG which is at Lv95.
I'm curious about Maze. The game is pretty obscure imo and outside of the avoidances and the K3 screens I only know a few screens. But if the Piano is the essentially the only hard part of the game, then I feel Lv95 is a bit high when a harder avoidance (Palladium) is ranked lower.
Wow, Cherry is the 3rd hardest avoidance ranked  :atkHappy: Although that's actually a bad thing, lol.

Those games where the ones that stood out the most for me. There are other things I found weird(*cough*REVOLUTION ALL PERFECT AT Lv 94) but too lazy to list all of them.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 10, 2014, 10:10:28 PM
Lv 70 : I Wanna Be The Saturn [Medium]
Lv 83 : I Wanna Avoid the Anxious   [Clear]
Lv 89 : I Wanna SunSpike [Clear]
Lv 94 : I Wanna be the GB    [Impossible]
Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Maze   [Medium]   [Find Secret]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Be The Cherry [Oblivion]
Saturn is way too high considering that Zeus is 63 and Genius 69, I'd probably rate it Lv58 since it was easier than Uhuhu 3 for me.
Avoid The Anxious should be Lv 76 imo, it was WAY easier than Play The Endurance 2 on VH which is at Lv 80.
Sunspike is much easier than Rubik's Cube imo. I haven't gotten far on Rubik's Cube so can't rate, but the boss is certainly much harder than Sunspike's.
Isn't GB a game with hundreds of triggers and some tricky segments :P? I'm pretty sure GB on impossible is harder than IWBTG which is at Lv95.
I'm curious about Maze. The game is pretty obscure imo and outside of the avoidances and the K3 screens I only know a few screens. But if the Piano is the essentially the only hard part of the game, then I feel Lv95 is a bit high when a harder avoidance (Palladium) is ranked lower.
Wow, Cherry is the 3rd hardest avoidance ranked  :atkHappy: Although that's actually a bad thing, lol.

Those games where the ones that stood out the most for me. There are other things I found weird(*cough*REVOLUTION ALL PERFECT AT Lv 94) but too lazy to list all of them.

Thank you for your opinion, and it was Kinata's idea to put in cherry and i thought it was a good addition, as for sunspike, i got 2 opinions on lowering it so that may happen.

Avoid the Anxious i have never played, i want a second opinion on it.

As for GB on impossible keep in mind this is started as a copy paste of M Level, so GB was not touched,

I will consider lowering saturn too, i did find the rating too high, i will do edits tomorrow maybe.

Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on April 10, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
Lv 63 : I Wanna Be The Zeus [Medium]
Lv 67 : I Wanna be the Zeus [Medium]
Lv 70 : I Wanna Be The Saturn [Medium]
Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 1   [Clear]
Lv 73 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 2   [Clear]
Lv 74 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 3   [Clear]
Lv 76 : I Wanna be the PTSD   [Clear]
Lv 79 : I Wanna L     [Clear]
Lv 80 : I Wanna be the TsuTaMao   [Clear]
Lv 81 : I Wanna be the Hades   [Medium]
Lv 81 : I Wanna Be The Needle Reaper [Clear]
Lv 83 : I Wanna Be The Needle Reaper 2
Lv 85 : I Wanna be the Orpheus   [Clear]
Lv 85 : I Wanna Hunyuu Pun Pun [Clear]
Lv 88 : I Wanna Be The Goner [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Defeat the Arrangement  [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Loner   [Clear]
Lv 90 : I Wanna Be The Needle Master [All Modes]
Lv 90 : I Wanna be the Needle Satan   [Clear]
Lv 91 : I Wanna be the Gentle Needle   [Clear]
Lv 92 : I Wanna Be The Butterfly Nova [Possible Mod]

I pretty much only play needle games so I'm only gonna comment on these. I listed all of them but 7 trials because people know how I think about that by now. I'll start off with the rather small problems.

Butterfly Nova's mod isn't harder than gentle needle, same difficulty at best in my opinion. Needle Satan should be lower than Loner.
PTSD should be harder than L I think. Zeus shouldn't be harder than itself lol.

Ok now to the stuff that actually matters. Tsu Ta Mao is also too high. It should be at around same level as Archfoe 3, which should be a bit higher than it is now. Saturn shouldn't be over Zeus, especially not as much, I think someone mentioned this before. Now to the biggest Problems: Both Needle reapers aren't even nearly as hard as they're listed. Needle reaper 1 same as hades? 2 harder than hades? Really? 2nd is Hunyuupunpun. You rated it 85, which isn't even close to being close to how hard it is. That game has hardly anything really hard in it. The only thing about it is that it takes long to do because it has 50 rooms, but that's it. That game should be ~60-70.
Rest seems ok at first sight.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on April 11, 2014, 01:17:01 AM
Wow this thread is getting intense. I am so proud I caused this. :BibleThump:

In the interest of civility, although we'll rank games that are unreleased, if the creator opposes its early inclusion we'll wait till the official release. Since Paragus (who's the "designer" of Cultured I think?) wants us to play it fully before being ranked, I say we take it off for now. Once released, its ranking will be determined by community consensus.

Alright it will be removed for now, although i highly doubt it will effect the level but ok. - Swordslinger
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ethinthenougathorn on April 11, 2014, 04:58:15 AM
Lv 00 : I Wanna See the Barrage   [Clear]

Lv 05 : I Wanna be the ChokoChoko   [Clear]

i dont think the difference in difficulty between those 2 is 5 points, chokochoko is so easy and much faster to beat then i wanna see the barrage

:D
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 11, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
Lv 00 : I Wanna See the Barrage   [Clear]

Lv 05 : I Wanna be the ChokoChoko   [Clear]

i dont think the difference in difficulty between those 2 is 5 points, chokochoko is so easy and much faster to beat then i wanna see the barrage

:D

The reason why see the barrage is at level 0 is because its completely trivial and you just have to stand still, now chokochoko is at 5 because a new player may have a lack of knowledge on how the vines work so they may struggle with it a lot, very easy game being one level behind chokochoko it has the easiest jumps possible and a very slow trigger you can easily avoid.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on April 20, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
Interesting how the hot discussion suddenly died out lol
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: OhNoezEinPandy on April 20, 2014, 03:15:59 PM
Is there any reason to not include Not Another Needle Game on this list? It is quite well-known and is missing on the list.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on April 23, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
I would also like to know where these games would be rated:

I wanna enjoy the game 2 [medium]
I wanna be the Yassan [medium]
I wanna be the Six Elements [clear]
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on April 23, 2014, 08:52:03 PM
I would also like to know where these games would be rated:

I wanna enjoy the game 2 [medium]
I wanna be the Yassan [medium]
I wanna be the Six Elements [clear]

I will get around to these soon enough, i need to get around to discussing again, been very busy IRL.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on April 30, 2014, 05:15:40 PM
I just have 1 more request for the list:

I wanna be the Experience [medium]
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on May 14, 2014, 11:43:10 PM
I wanna be the Six Elements [clear]

Actually never mind this one, replace that with I wanna vanish needles.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on June 07, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Alright, so here are my suggestions for this list:

Lv: 21: I wanna Giripossible - This was a very easy 100 floor game, had about 15 deaths when I beat it.
Lv: 20: I wanna be the NCE 1 - This was also very easy, had a gate jump avoidance at the end.
Lv: 52: I wanna enjoy the game 2 - This was a pretty long and well made trigger game. The last boss was pretty hard though.
Lv: 55: I wanna be the Yassan: The game had some bosses that could give you bad RNG, plus some of the rooms were a bit challenging.
Lv: 27: I wanna vanish needles: This was an easy game with 6 stages, plus the last boss is easy.
Lv: 54: I wanna be the starter: This had about medium level difficulty overall. bosses aren't too bad.
Lv: 44: I wanna be the Piyopiyo Trap easy ver.: The game was pretty easy though it had some gimmicks that relied on luck.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on July 29, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
I would like to suggest my own game to be put on here: I Wanna be the Monochromatic. I would suggest some place below Archfoe 1, like a level 67 game.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: AndresSgarrido on August 03, 2014, 01:56:01 PM
In my opinion rubik cube lvl should be higher..
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on August 16, 2014, 11:50:56 AM
I think I wanna beat the spikes series should be ranked (:Kappa:)
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Shinytyphlosion on August 18, 2014, 01:30:05 AM
I think we should add some non-fangame games on here so new people would find a game at the right level without much experience.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: REBAG on August 18, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
I dont think that would be a good idea
Unexperienced people could just work theyre way up from like Lvl 20
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Swordslinger on August 18, 2014, 06:22:09 PM
It will be months to get the list updated and yes, i know it has a lot of flaws. I will respond to a few things here

I think we should add some non-fangame games on here so new people would find a game at the right level without much experience.


I am not doing this, this is a list on I Wanna Be The Guy Fangames, not any other game outside of it, if i were to do this I might as well just put the whole NES collection on here.

I think I wanna beat the spikes series should be ranked (:Kappa:)

I actually do want to do this, just need some more opinions from everyone about what beat the spikes 1-final should be rated.

In my opinion rubik cube lvl should be higher..

As seen as Plynq still being the only one to clear this, I will look into it.

I would like to suggest my own game to be put on here: I Wanna be the Monochromatic. I would suggest some place below Archfoe 1, like a level 67 game.

Sure thing, I should download this soon enough, Archfoe i will think about.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on August 20, 2014, 04:53:26 PM
I also have a few more suggestions:

Lv: 48: I wanna be the Experience
Lv: 48: I wanna be the Green Moon
Lv: 49: I wanna be the Payment
Lv: 70: I wanna be the magnanimity

Also Yellow Star should be lowered to lv.46 as that was mostly an easy game.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kefit on September 19, 2014, 02:54:38 AM
Suggestions:

Lv 69: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Normal) - This is about the same level as Genius, I think.
Lv 89: I Wanna be the Fodomia - Around the same level as Needle Satan due to the very difficult final area.
Lv 90: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Hard) - Again, around the same level as Needle Satan.
Lv 94: I Wanna be the Crimson Needle - Denferok says this is harder than MMM. I might even give this a 95 if I was feeling cheeky.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on September 19, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
Lvl. 80: I Wanna be the Darkness - 3 rooms that are pretty difficult due to there being several saves requiring certain knowledge about some pixel techniques and 1 frame. I.M.O. it's about the same difficulty as Hades.
Lvl. 89: I Wanna be the Cognitive - 2 rooms that are really difficult, and I do believe that I'm probably the only person (other than FailJguy, perhaps) that has beaten this game. Probably around the difficulty of Goner I.M.O.


I'd also like to suggest a decrease in difficulty for a couple of games:


Lvl. 95: I Wanna be the TAS - Honestly the hardest thing in this game is the second stage and the boss. For me everything else (mostly stage 1, and I have played around with stage 3 some) has been a cakewalk for me. Plus, there is evidence of several people getting to the boss, although to my knowledge nobody has beaten the boss.

Lvl. 79: I Wanna be the TsuTaMao - This game isn't that bad for me, as I have beaten it in under 700 deaths as of this date. I don't see a reason why this should be harder than I Wanna L because there's only a few really difficult saves in this game as a whole.


Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on October 10, 2014, 11:55:00 AM

Lv 94: I Wanna be the Crimson Needle - Denferok says this is harder than MMM. I might even give this a 95 if I was feeling cheeky.

I think he's referring to the platforming. While I haven't beaten it myself I would never put it that high. Seeing as how rukito area is 91 or 92, butterly nova is 92, gentle needle 91 and loner 90.
While I can't say anything about the fine tuning I'd def put it at 91-93 or something.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on October 10, 2014, 12:00:02 PM

Lvl. 95: I Wanna be the TAS - Honestly the hardest thing in this game is the second stage and the boss. For me everything else (mostly stage 1, and I have played around with stage 3 some) has been a cakewalk for me. Plus, there is evidence of several people getting to the boss, although to my knowledge nobody

Just my 2 cents.

The reason TAS is rated 96 is the boss, why would you want to lower it if nobody's even beaten it? lol
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Hectorpaddy on October 12, 2014, 07:23:12 PM

I think I wanna beat the spikes series should be ranked (:Kappa:)

I actually do want to do this, just need some more opinions from everyone about what beat the spikes 1-final should be rated.

I would do the Rankings like this:

I wanna beat the Spikes(no extra): ~lv60
I wanna beat the Spikes 2(no extra): ~lv59
I wanna beat the Spikes 2(extra): ~lv63
I wanna beat the Spikes 3(no extra): ~lv63
I wanna beat the Spikes 4: ~lv86
I wanna beat the Spikes 5(no extra): ~lv87
I wanna beat the Spikes 6(with/without extra since the extra doesn't affect the difficulty really): lv90/91
I wanna beat the Spikes final: lv92
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kinata on October 12, 2014, 08:21:02 PM
This sounds reasonable, but I don't think the extra stages are significant enough to merit inclusion.

Also, this list is clearly stagnant. Barely any changes have been made, and barely any real discussion has ever occurred in this thread (people post rank suggestions, at most one or two responses occur). Drastic measures are in order. I suggest Sword just take every suggestion that has been made so far and incorporate it into the list. This will get the ball rolling and give us a better sense of what system we will use to determine new iterations of the list.

If someone sees on the first post that a change has occurred that they disagree with, they can post their dissent here and start a more nuanced discussion. People don't feel so motivated discuss theoretical changes mentioned in random posts, but actually seeing something on the list that seems wrong would more likely spark an actual discussion (like the many discussions we've had pointing out the mistakes in the M-level list).
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ethinthenougathorn on October 14, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
i wonder if butterfly nova possible mod also means that the insane jump also got nerfed(ceiling + saves)?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ShadowsDieAway on November 15, 2014, 07:17:25 AM
Thanks for this thread, helps a lot with figuring out which games I need to play first to get more experienced. Also geez, now I know how much I'm really torturing myself when playing TAS and K3.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on November 20, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Hello, everybody. I was looking at this list and decided to create an account to contribute with it, so...
I'll start with my opinion about what already is on the list:
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Lv 00 : I Wanna See the Barrage   [CLEAR]
Lv 04 : I Wanna Be The Very Easy Game
Lv 05 : I Wanna be the ChokoChoko   [CLEAR]
Someone already said that in this thread, but the difference between these isn't that high. While it's true that beginners might struggle with ChokoChoko because of the vine jumps, it's also true that beginners might not understand that you don't need to move at See the Barrage (And it's more possible, too). I would rate Very Easy Game as lower than both of those, since it's the only game out of the three where the objective is clear. I think that the ranking should be something among these lines:

Lv 02: I wanna Be the Very Easy Game
Lv 03: I wanna See the Barrage
Lv 03: I wanna be the ChokoChoko

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Lv 16 : I Wanna be the GGM[Medium]
Lv 23 : I Wanna Conquer The Blow Game [Medium]
Lv 25 : I Wanna Enjoy the Game   [Medium]
I'm sure that the difference between GGM and Conquer the Blow isn't 7 LVLs high. While Conquer the Blow may be longer, GGM has harder jumps. Also, Conquer the Blow is WAY closer to Enjoy the Game than it should be. Enjoy the Game has some confusing traps at the Gray World, making the jumps harder AND making you think a little bit about how to dodge the traps (Something that is lacking on GGM and Conquer the Blow). The bosses at Conquer the Blow and Enjoy the Game are nearly at the same level, too. Thus, I think that Conquer the Blow should be lowered by a few levels. My suggestion is:

Lv 19: I Wanna Conquer The Blow Game [Medium]

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Lv 29 : I Wanna Be The Heart
I think that this one should be higher for two reasons. First, the jumps at this game are close to I Wanna be the Art's difficulty.
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Second reason is, while Art is a short maze of screens, Heart is an exploring game where you must find all of the three evil apples and defeat them to unlock the Final Boss. Art might be more confusing, but Heart is way longer. Thus, I think that both should be at the same level:

Lv 39: I Wanna Be The Heart

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Lv 47 : I Wanna be the Popularity   [Medium]
Popularity isn't that bad on Medium. Definitively, not higher than Escape the Volcano, or Macaron. I would rate it as Lv 40, at most:

Lv 40: I Wanna be the Popularity [Medium]

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Lv 57 : I Wanna Be The Sunflower FAIRY Kid Mode [Easy]
I'm just curious about this one. Is there any difference between this one and the original Sunflower Fairy?

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Lv 62 : I Wanna be the Guy : Gaiden   [Medium]   [Demo]
No. Just no. I didn't see Rose Gear, Tribute, Fangame and Best Guy at lower levels to see Guy: Gaiden at Lv 62. Please, don't.
Guy: Gaiden has only two or three really hard saves (And it seems like one of them was nerfed). Everything else is a matter of simple skill and patience. The final boss is easy, and the sub-bosses at 1.1 and 1.2 aren't that bad either. Best Guy has some brutally hard bosses, Rose Gear has harder bosses AND saves (Even without extra), Fangame has some brutally hard saves near the end and Tribute has some of the cheapest RNGs i've ever seen. To me, Guy: Gaiden should be lower than all of those, so, I would suggest:

Lv 50 : I Wanna be the Guy : Gaiden [Medium] [Demo]

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Lv 65 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine  [Normal]
I was going to leave this alone, but...
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Lv 67 : I Wanna Be The 8bit [Demo] [Hard]
Time-machine is definitively harder than this one. 8bit might have some harder needles, but Time-machine's bosses are far harder. Sonic & Mario require precision and good memory, Snowman has the old and good cheap RNG, Ryu destroys the floor at the speed of the sound, Solgryn has 3 forms and you must defeat all of them in one try, and Influka is Influka...Enough said. Plus, Time-machine is way longer. Thus, I don't see how can 8bit be higher. I would rate Time-Machine as:

Lv 68: I Wanna Take the Time-machine [Normal]

Because I didn't play any of the Lv 69 games and I don't think I can put it at the same level as Sharpness.

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Lv 68 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 1   [Medium]
Again, I'm just curious about this one. Why is Kamilia 1 so high? I mean, I know that it's hard as hell, but I don't recall it being harder than some of the games I've seen at lower levels on this list.

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Lv 68 : I Wanna CELEBRATE 100 [Medium]
No. Please, don't. This is even worse than Guy: Gaiden at Lv 62.
Few areas are really hard at this game, and I'm sure that none of them is worthy of a Lv 68 rating. The hardest boss in the game is Cirno, and even she isn't that hard. Sorry, I can't see this game as harder than I Wanna Macaron or FC in any way. I would rate it as Lv 44, but that would be too extreme, so my suggestion is:

Lv 47 : I Wanna CELEBRATE 100 [Medium]

Since it's still a long game.

Now, moving on to the other suggestions:
Alright, so here are my suggestions for this list:

Lv: 21: I wanna Giripossible - This was a very easy 100 floor game, had about 15 deaths when I beat it.
Lv: 20: I wanna be the NCE 1 - This was also very easy, had a gate jump avoidance at the end.
Lv: 52: I wanna enjoy the game 2 - This was a pretty long and well made trigger game. The last boss was pretty hard though.
Lv: 55: I wanna be the Yassan: The game had some bosses that could give you bad RNG, plus some of the rooms were a bit challenging.
Lv: 27: I wanna vanish needles: This was an easy game with 6 stages, plus the last boss is easy.
Lv: 54: I wanna be the starter: This had about medium level difficulty overall. bosses aren't too bad.
Lv: 44: I wanna be the Piyopiyo Trap easy ver.: The game was pretty easy though it had some gimmicks that relied on luck.
NCE is far harder than Giripossible, Enjoy the Game and Conquer the Blow. The Gate Jump avoidance requires a lot of patience and timing. Some of its jumps might be troublesome, as well.
I also think that Yassan should be higher than Sunflower Fairy and 3200 min, mainly because the bosses that can give you bad RNG, will often do so. Things get even worse because of their high HP.
Also, I think that Enjoy the Game 2 should be higher. Not only the Final Boss, but also the White Cherry was really hard (To me, it was even harder than the Final Boss). Although, not as high as Rose Gear.
I would rate these as:

Lv 35: I wanna be the NCE 1
Lv 55: I wanna Enjoy the Game 2
Lv 63: I wanna be the Yassan

I also have a few more suggestions:

Lv: 48: I wanna be the Experience
Lv: 48: I wanna be the Green Moon
Lv: 49: I wanna be the Payment
Lv: 70: I wanna be the magnanimity

Also Yellow Star should be lowered to lv.46 as that was mostly an easy game.
I agree with Experience and Magnanimity (I didn't play the other ones).

Suggestions:

Lv 69: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Normal) - This is about the same level as Genius, I think.
Lv 89: I Wanna be the Fodomia - Around the same level as Needle Satan due to the very difficult final area.
Lv 90: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Hard) - Again, around the same level as Needle Satan.
Lv 94: I Wanna be the Crimson Needle - Denferok says this is harder than MMM. I might even give this a 95 if I was feeling cheeky.
I think that Catharsis (Normal) should be higher, something around Lv 77 (I can't see it as easier than Heaven Trap 1).


That's it for now, I'll make another post with my suggestions later (I still have to replay some games to check their difficulty).
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on November 21, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
I appreciate you're opinions Smokey, and I agree with Kinata that this list should change soon.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on December 01, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
Well, so here are my suggestions to increase the list (The Box Trap series was supposed to be here, but I forgot nearly everything about these games, so I can't rate them for now. I'll play them again someday, and then add them to this post):
Perfection Series
It's weird how Perfection 1 is the only ranked game of the series here '-'
So, here are my suggestions for the other games of the series:

Lv 50: I Wanna be the Perfection 2 [Clear] - One word: Traps. The first Perfection didn't have any traps, but at the second Perfection you must deal with the annoying jumps AND the traps. Some of the traps might even make the game seem impossible at first glance, although most of them are just a matter of hidden paths. This is easily the hardest game in the series.
Lv 29: I wanna be the Perfection 3 [Clear] - And here the difficulty starts to decrease. Most of the floors are a matter of patience, and there are no hard jumps at all. I might give it a lower score, but it's not as easy as Enjoy the Game, so...
Lv 1: I wanna be the Perfection 4 [Medium] - This is the closest I ever saw to a Lv 0 game. Unlike the other Perfections, this one has no saves at all, so you must go through all of the game in one go. The only problem is that...There are NO spikes! It's simply impossible to die at this game. I know easier games, though (None that I would recommend), so I can't rate this one as Lv 0.
Lv 7: I wanna be the Perfection 4 [Hard] - Perfection 4 is the only Perfection game that changes according to the difficulty (The other ones will only change if you play on Impossible). There are still no saves, but now there are Spikes. Few spikes, but now you can die, so that's something.
Lv 42: I wanna be the Perfection 4 [Very Hard] - Yeah, the difficulty increases that much. The game itself isn't THAT hard, but some areas are really tricky, and, as always, there are no saves (The game isn't short either). Definitively harder than the first Perfection, although not even close to the second.
Lv 34: I wanna be the Perfection 5 [Clear] - Talk about being trivial. This one is still harder than Perfection 3, since there are some hard jumps here and there, but the difference isn't that great.

By the way, did I mention that Perfection 4 has a "Very Very Hard" mode? :Kappa: (I'm not going to rank it, since I don't have enough patience to get past the second screen, but I'm sure that it's above Lv 70).

Gate Keeper

I just love this game. Can't get enough of the needles u_u

Lv 59: I Wanna be the Gate Keeper [Clear] - On a later playthrough, I decided to lower this number...A bit. Then, again, the platforming is somewhat painful at some parts (Nothing absurd, but nothing I would put below the first two Uhuhu Spikes either). Also, there is the Final Boss. Well, the Final Boss isn't exactly HARD. But it takes some patience to defeat him. He shoots small projectiles (Nothing too scary compared to the first boss at Box Trap 1, but still annoying) at different patterns according to his HP, and when he is damaged, he gets invulnerability for quite a while. Plus, one of his attacks is really annoying to dodge, as it involves RNG combined with aimed attacks. You also must get to a high platform in order to shoot him, which is something...not really pleasant to do.

Qoqoqo

Such a lovely 100-floor game u_u

Lv 99 Lv 72: I wanna Qoqoqo [Medium] - From the Ice Area on, this game gets awfully evil with the needle placing. This game has a mechanic that forces you to find your way through a maze of needles, by restricting your jumps so that you can only get to a specific platform if you jump from a specific place. Well, at the Ice Area, this mechanic is polished and the jumps start to get harder, so that you must do a lot of annoying jumps in one go. Things get even worse around Floor 83, at the Sky, where the difficulty starts to raise exponencially (Or maybe I just suck at infinite jumping. Doesn't matter.), and then, at the 90s, the game turns into a maze of spikes and platforms everywhere, with hard jumps everywhere. Also, even though the bosses aren't hard, their HP might still be annoying for some people.

Brisulph

I actually don't really like this game, but some people might like it, so I thought of putting it here anyway...

Lv 54: I Wanna be Like Brisulph [Regular Pwnage] - Based on NES games...In a lot of ways. Most stages will require you to memorize a specific sequence of movements that you must follow within a specific time if you want to get through. The stages are short, but there are really few saves, which is really annoying sometimes. Also, the two last bosses are a perfect example of how to NOT make a RNG Boss. First, the Drones. You can't damage them. You just have to collect their 4 flags before they collect yours. Well, it wouldn't be too bad if:
- You didn't have to defeat them 3 times in a row (And the arena gets bigger and with more obstacles each time).
- They didn't spawn at random places (And what is worse, they'll nearly always spawn close to your flags. Of course. Sometimes, the fight ends after 3 seconds, thanks to that -.-)
- There weren't 4 of them.
Second, Brisulph has an attack where he'll spawn platforms at random places and fill the floor with spikes. This wouldn't be too bad...If the platforms didn't tend to block his only weak spot (Did I mention that he has 300 HP?).
I won't rate it higher because I don't think that it's harder than Fangame, but I won't rate it lower either, thanks to these two bosses.

Not Another Needle Game

I'm surprised that this one isn't on the list '-'
Either way, my suggestion is:

Lv 71: Not Another Needle Game [Bad Ending][Clear] - Slightly higher than Magnanimity, I would say. Lots of hard jumps at each stage, mainly at the last floors. Not really much to say about this one.

Sonic Drive
Speaking of avoidances...This is one of the few that I can stand (It's not even 2 minutes long, anyway).

Lv 44: I Wanna Play the Sonic Drive [Clear] - The higher speed might be helpful...Or not. Either way, the avoidance isn't too hard, once you know how to do it, but the last attack is a pain. Also, RNG is hardly something good. Mainly at high speeds.

Cultured
As far as I know, it's alredy completed, so...

Lv 74: I Wanna Get Cultured [Normal] - Stages 6 and 7 are evil (Mainly stage 7). AND the Final Boss is pure hell (Easily one of the hardest bosses I've ever defeated). Easily harder than Kamilia 1 (WAY harder, by the way). Putting the game higher would mean putting it close to Catharsis and Flower, though, which is a big nope.

...Tesseract
Here is a long game (In a lot of ways) '-'

Lv 43: I wanna Conceptualize the Omnitruncated Tesseract [Clear][No secret] - Hardly the sort of game I would call hard, since there are few hard jumps. The bosses aren't too hard, either. However, the game is as lenghty as its name, which is...Something to take into consideration.

Alphabet

There is the "extra" but there isn't the "no extra"...Weird '-'

Lv 22: I wanna be the Alphabet [No extra][Clear] - Easy from the beginning to the end. Slightly lower than Enjoy the Game, I would say.

Normal

Another unknown game here '-'

Lv 49: I wanna be the Normal [Medium] - Around the same level as Perfection 2. I would rate it lower, but the first screen of Stage 2 doesn't allow me to. Also, the bosses are somewhat challenging (Exception for Stage 4's Boss, boring as hell).

Novelty Series

Probably my favorite series of fangames u_u
I'm surprised that it's not on the list, as well '-'

Lv 56: I wanna Make the Novelty [Medium] - Each stage has a different gimmick, but some of them are just too evil (Mainly Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3, Stage 4, Stage 5 and Stage 6 '-'). Also, Stage 7's Boss is one hell of an avoidance, and Stage 8's Boss is...I have no words to describe that thing. Oh, and the Final Boss is really annoying, as well
Lv 51: I wanna Make the Novelty 2 [Medium] - Platforming is slightly easier than Novelty 1 (Stage 2 is an exception), and the bosses are WAY easier. Stage 5's boss is infuriating, though.

Escape Reality

Short, but really fun. I laughed a lot on the Final Boss, too.

Lv 51: I wanna Escape Reality - The RNG platforms at the Wood Stage won't allow me to put this any lower. The game is really fair on the other saves, though, so I think that this ranking is alright.

The Diva Batles

I nearly forgot this one. As far as I know, its Miku is one of the first Miku avoidances ever made. Probably one of the best, too.
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Lv 40: The Diva Batles [Medium][Complete Miku Endurance] - Platforming is way too easy. No hard jumps at all, no lack of saves, no cheap gimmicks. The problem comes with the Boss. First, some of the predictable attacks have a weird pattern that is annoying to dodge. Second, the RNG attacks are evil . And finally, the blood falling from the ceiling is unsettling  :BibleThump:

Well, these are my opinions for now. I'll edit this post later if I beat any other interesting games.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Shinytyphlosion on December 04, 2014, 01:26:51 PM
Although I agree with most of the above I'd place Cultured at Level 70 with NANG bad ending and move Magnanimity to about 75. 

Suggestions:
- Moving Popularity [Medium] to somewhere in the 50's. Am I the only one that finds this game to be hard? (I suck at the mouse)
- Moving up Break the 3 Makers 3 to at 97 or 98 seeing that nobody has beaten it yet (with proof)
- Moving down Kamilia 2, I find a 92 for this game to be pushing it.  Especially if it's over Needle Satan and Alphabet extra
- Music [Extreme] is way too hard to be 84 when it has the 10 minute battle.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on December 04, 2014, 03:02:18 PM
Although I agree with most of the above I'd place Cultured at Level 70 with NANG bad ending and move Magnanimity to about 75. 

Suggestions:
- Moving Popularity [Medium] to somewhere in the 50's. Am I the only one that finds this game to be hard? (I suck at the mouse)
- Moving up Break the 3 Makers 3 to at 97 or 98 seeing that nobody has beaten it yet (with proof)
- Moving down Kamilia 2, I find a 92 for this game to be pushing it.  Especially if it's over Needle Satan and Alphabet extra
- Music [Extreme] is way too hard to be 84 when it has the 10 minute battle.
I am bad with the mouse too, but I didn't find Popularity's Mouse stage to be hard (Not compared to the standards of games that make use of the mouse, at least)...It might be just me, though.

I agree with Kamilia 2, by the way (I didn't play the other ones)
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: ethinthenougathorn on December 06, 2014, 03:43:06 AM

- Music [Extreme] is way too hard to be 84 when it has the 10 minute battle.

music extreme 10 min battle has it`s own rank, 99
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on December 31, 2014, 03:11:04 PM
A few more suggestions here:

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Lv 46 : I Wanna Macaron    [Medium]
Lv 48 : I Wanna Awake    [Medium]
Lv 49 : I Wanna be Colorful    [Clear]
Lv 49 : I Wanna be the ShowDown   [Medium]
Macaron has harder platforming. Awake has harder platforming AND harder bosses. And Colorful is a lovely avoidance filled with RNG. I don't get why is ShowDown higher than all of these. I would lower it to:

Lv 44: I Wanna be the ShowDown [Medium]

Since it's easier than GreeeeN, but harder than DarkBlue.

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Lv 55 : I Wanna be the Fangame   [Medium]
Lv 55 : I Wanna be the BEST Guy 1   [Clear]   [Extra]
Lv 55 : I Wanna Be The Purple Zone
Nope, definitively not. Purple Zone definitively isn't at the same level as Fangame or Best Guy. Purple Zone is short and there are very few difficult segments. Most of them are easy, and can be done in a few tries. The Final Boss isn't anything special either. Not when compared to any of Best Guy's bosses, or Grim Reaper/Sticky Keys from Fangame. And both, Fangame and Best Guy, are WAY longer than Purple Zone. Thus, I don't see a single reason for Purple Zone to be here.
My suggestion is:

Lv 44: I wanna be the Purple Zone

Since it's pretty much the same level as ShowDown.

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Lv 45 : I Wanna be the GreeeeeN   [Medium]
Lv 45 : I Wanna be the FC    [Medium]
FC is definitively harder than GreeeeN. Far harder. The platforming is harder, the bosses are WAY harder, and FC is longer too. I would put it around the same level as Awake, so...

Lv 48 : I Wanna be the FC [Medium]

I would complain about Play the Catastrophe and Crimson being a little bit too high (I doubt that Crimson is harder than Tempest or Loner, and Catastrophe is far from being harder than Barrage), and Sharpness being a little bit too low (Kaikun is harder than this one? I doubt it) too, but I will beat them first to see where should they be.

And also, increasing the list:

Resistance

...Has some bosses that I would love to never have fought against. Oh well.

Lv 68: I wanna be the Resistance [Medium] - Sounds pretty fair to me to put it at the same level as a similar game: Orbit. Both have the annoying-as-hell traps, both have the annoying-as-hell bosses, both are lenghty and both have an average platforming (Aside from the traps). Thus, I would put both at the same level.

Pleasure

I must say, this game has the best Kirby boss I've ever seen. Far better than Time Machine's or Popularity's.

Lv 49: I wanna be the Pleasure [Clear] - Slightly harder than FC and Awake. The Stage 2 here might be a headache to a lot of players (Mainly the last screen). The bosses aren't as hard as FC's or Awake's, but Stage 2 is so hard, that I think that Pleasure should still be higher.

LoveAE-RYRC

Fun 117-floor game (Lol).

Lv 63: I wanna be the LoveAE-RYRC [Medium] - Lots of annoying floors here. Some are too lenghty, some have weird gimmicks, some have too many hard jumps, and some have a 7-second delay that happens every time you enter the floor, a time limit, lots of spikes and an annoying effect with the lights. One level higher than 3200 min sounds good enough, because 3200 min doesn't have bosses, but the difficulty of the platforming is pretty much the same. I also don't plan on putting it at the same difficulty as See the Moon, so...

Party \o/

This is a pretty short game. Found it while looking at the Meteor Stream boss from MSR.

Lv 40: I wanna be the Party [Clear] - Lots of traps, but none of them is particularly hard to avoid. The only part that might be troublesome is the Last Boss, but even this boss isn't so hard. The game is still hard enough to be higher than Art, though.

Koramune Trap

Not too different from Party, but better-looking.

Lv 43: I wanna be the Koramune Trap [Medium] - As I said, not too different from Party. There are some difficult segments, though, so I think that Koramune Trap should be slightly higher (Also, Koramune Trap is pretty much at the same level as Dark Blue. The platforming is slightly easier, but the final boss is harder).

HunyaaPunpun series

Speaking of 100-floor games...

Lv 22: I wanna HunyaaPunpun [Clear][No secret] - For the most part an easy game (Although finding the easy path might be troublesome at some floors), however Stage 6 (Floors 61-70) is pretty annoying (Not exactly hard, just annoying. Lots of backtracking, and headaches with gravity-changing arrows). I don't think that it's harder than Enjoy the Game, though, so I'll leave it here.

Lv 17: I wanna HunyaaPunpun 2 [Clear] - As easy as it can be (The Stage 6 from the first HunyaaPunpun is not here, which makes things a lot easier). I'll still put it higher than GGM, though, because finding the easy path is still hard (Probably even harder than in the first one).

I had a few more games to rank, but it's been a while since I've beaten them, and I forgot a lot about them, so the ranking wouldn't be clear enough. So, that's all for now  :denLuka:
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on December 31, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
Crimson is harder than Loner imo, and not just because I suck at bosses (even though that is my main reason Kappa).
There are a couple of places in Crimson that I had some trouble with due to memorization of the absurd number of traps it has and due to nekoron's engine messing up while trying to 1frame in water.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on December 31, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
Crimson is harder than Loner imo, and not just because I suck at bosses (even though that is my main reason Kappa).
There are a couple of places in Crimson that I had some trouble with due to memorization of the absurd number of traps it has and due to nekoron's engine messing up while trying to 1frame in water.
I found the water stage to be one of the easiest in Crimson
I don't recall any section on Crimson that has too many traps. And if you include traps as part of the platforming, I would say that Loner's jumps are pretty harder than Crimson's. But since we are talking about memorization problems and bosses, it's better to not compare Crimson to Loner. But there is still Tempest. Tempest surpasses Crimson in bosses (Crimson's bosses aren't really hard, they are just tedious), traps (As I was saying, Crimson doesn't have many traps. Not compared to Tempest) and needles (Some of Tempest's jumps give me nightmares. Most of Crimson's jumps are pretty normal). And both have around the same lenght. I can't see how can Crimson be higher than Tempest here, so even if Crimson is harder than Loner, I would still say that it's too high because of Tempest).
Of course, it might be Tempest the one that is too low :atkHappy:
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on February 01, 2015, 01:48:25 PM
...Hoping that this list will be updated someday '-'
Anyways, few more suggestions:
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Lv 95 : I Wanna be the Emperor   [Medium]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Break the 3 Makers 3  [Clear]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Be The Cherry [Oblivion]
Lv 96 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [No Secret]
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Lv 97 : I Wanna be a Brute of a Man [Possible Mod]  [Medium]
Lv 97 : I Wanna be the TAS 1   [Medium]
Lv 97 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Oh no, I didn't...Yes, I did. I touched Kamilia 3. Am I the only one who does find it absurd that Kamilia 3 is at the same level as UNBEATEN games, such as 3 Makers 3 and Cherry [Oblivion]? (As far as I know, Aya on Oblivion is still unbeaten)
Kamilia 3 with extra is even being compared to TAS 1, another unbeaten game (Final Boss s2) ._.
Kamilia 3 actually doesn't sound harder than Emperor, either. The platforming on Kamilia 3 is relatively easy for the most part (Easy for a LVL 95+ game, I mean), with just a few hard Stages such as Rukito. Emperor is hard from the beginning to the end. There is no comparison here ._.
However, the Boss Rush should make up for that, since I don't recall any Boss in Emperor that is actually harder than Boss Rush in Kamilia 3. The Extra platforming in Kamilia 3 also sounds somewhat challenging. Thus, I would call...Same level for Kamilia 3 and Emperor? I think it's a better idea than what is on the list now.
My suggestions are:
Lv 94: I wanna Kill the Kamilia 3 [Clear] [No secret]
Lv 95: I wanna Kill the Kamilia 3 [Clear] [Find secret] [Extra]

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Lv 82 : I Wanna be the Rainbow MIKU   [Medium]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 83 : I Wanna be the Barrage 1   [Clear]
Lv 84 : I Wanna be the Justice   [Medium]
Lv 85 : I Wanna Hunyuu Pun Pun [Clear]
And here we are...Again. As much as I love to say that "I've beaten a Lv 85 game, YES!!!!"...I must come back to reality, somehow. Come on, really? HunyuuPunpun higher than Justice and Barrage?
Barrage is solely made of bosses, so I'll leave it out for now, but comparing Justice's platforming to HunyuuPunpun's...No, just no. HunyuuPunpun is made of soft jumps. A few long saves, yes, but with few hard jumps (Sometimes no one) at each save. I can make a list of screens on Justice that are far more sadistic with their jumps and traps (Yes, including traps as part of the platforming), and I haven't even gotten that far in Justice yet. HunyuuPunpun also doesn't have bosses, so...Yeah, Justice is quite harder than HunyuuPunpun.
So, skipping Barrage (I don't even know why did I put it here), let's take a look at Rainbow Miku. Soft jumps, long-as-hell saves...Memory-based avoidances should make up for the lack of lenght...Yeah, they sound alike.
My suggestion is:
Lv 82 : I Wanna Hunyuu Pun Pun [Clear]
Maybe it deserves to be lower, but I can't prove it for now, so...

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Lv 72 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 1   [Clear]
Lv 73 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 2   [Clear]
Lv 74 : I Wanna be the Archfoe 3   [Clear]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the Explorer   [Medium]
Lv 77 : I Wanna be the HeavenTrap 1   [Medium]
I see Explorer there...Heaven Trap too...And, as much as I hate Idolmaster...No, just no. Archfoe's platforming is easily harder than Explorer's and Heaven Trap's (Well, it's a needle game after all. And a hard one at that). The bosses in Explorer and Heaven Trap don't make up for that, either.
Also, since when is Archfoe 2 harder than Archfoe 1? ._.
Archfoe 1 brings the craziest possible jumps, with a touch of lack of saves at some points. Archfoe 2 has...Uh, a few corners? With good aligns right at the front of you? Yes, there are a few hard jumps in Archfoe 2. Two or three, I think. While Archfoe 1 has...The whole second screen (Aside from one easy save at the middle)?...Yeah, no comparison here. I can't say anything about Archfoe 3, since I'm stuck at the first screen, but since it's at the top of them, I'll leave it at the top...
So, my suggestion is:
Lv 76: I wanna be the Archfoe 2 [Clear]
Lv 77: I wanna be the Archfoe 1 [Clear] <= I wouldn't dare to put it at the same level as Flower, but it's not THAT lower
Lv 78: I wanna be the Archfoe 3 [Clear]

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Lv 53 : I Wanna Get The Yellow Star [Medium]
Quite the same as Purple Zone. I would say that this one has around the same LVL as Dark Blue, although the Final Boss is harder, so:
Lv 43: I wanna Get the Yellow Star [Medium]
Much better now  :atkHappy:

And a few more games to the list:

Get Rekt
Let's get Rekt  :atkHappy:
Lv 85: I wanna Get Rekt [Clear] - Well, where do we start. The difficulty curve in this game is basically exponential. We start with the standart tutorial Stage on Stage 1...Then we get to Stage 2 and find Geezerbot.exe from 8 Bit? WTF? OK, not that hard, let's get to stage 3 and...Tom & Jerry? Willy Ride Armor? Oh, well, it shouldn't get too much worse - Oh, hell, it's Chinsaku. That should already make up for a Lv 60 game or something, but it doesn't stop there. We have Void Titan and Ice Man (And that boss from Twitch TV - Does this game even exist? ._.). Well, alright.
At Stage 4, it starts. Game Makers and What's Hot aren't that much of a challenge, but...Well, the Avoidance players are annoying (Sunbla and Plynq -.-''') ...Speedrunners are lovely enough (Don't get T-Boned  :Kappa: )...The Needle players are probably among the most annoying of them (One doesn't simply do a diagonal quickly. Mainly when you are dodging Ario's apples)...And there is the ??? Stage, that is not hard, i think? Unless your keyboard is messed up. Damn dancing boss.
Stage 5 is quite the flaw of the difficulty curve (As hard as Stage 4, or maybe easier)...But the Chair at the end...Oh my. Nico Nico TV is quite tedious, too. But the real Lv. 80 part is Stage 6. IA is already hard by herself, you might leave her as a guardian alone. No need for Ultimate Luigi, Megaman Medley, Jazz Hands Demon and Crimson [Insert multiple names for that boss here] ;-;
And after breaking the seal, there is still TJ (OK, that one is easy), Klazen (1st phase is quite hard already, but the 2nd phase is simply infuriating. Something like, take Crimson, leave the same HP, add the Field Effect, give him more overpowered attacks, make it so that these attacks can be used even if you don't hit them, but they'll get even more overpowered according to the Crystal's HP...And you quite have Klazen's 2nd phase, maybe)...And RNG *-*...The name says it all. OK, I ended listing the entire game here. But the amount of hard bosses here is quite too high to leave it lower than Rainbow Miku, so, this is my suggestion.

Churatch
That one loved 100-floor game u_u

Lv 64: I wanna be the Churatch [Medium] - First challenge: To find the Medium mode :atkHappy:
Jokes aside, from Floor 75 on you might see the difficulty curve moving (Finally?) at a significant way. 82-98 are the worst, thanks to a few jumps combined with an annoying lenght that makes some floors REALLY annoying. Unlike LoveAE-RYRC, I think this one might be at the same level as See the Moon, since both have an annoying last stage.

I would put a couple needle games here, but I'm too tired to do so. I'll leave it at this.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: infern0man1 on February 01, 2015, 02:02:36 PM
I completely agree with HunyuuPunPun being too high. It's only difficulty came from the final jump and from how damn long it was. If anything it should be at the same level as L.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on February 01, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
Emperor is definitely not as hard as Kamilia 3, let alone harder. I also think level 85 is a bit too high for get rekt, its just so long that it feels harder than it actually is.
I would say the same about Kamilia 3. As I said, aside from the later stages, Kamilia 3 isn't really Lv 90-worthy, let alone Lv 95. Platforming-wise, Kamilia 3 has too few areas (A.K.A Stage 5 - Rukito, Betty) that can compete with Emperor's platforming (It's not as if all of Emperor's saves have the same difficulty, but most of them are quite harder than Kamilia's). Then, again, Kamilia 3 has harder bosses. And then, again, the main point here is that Kamilia is quite far from being as hard as Lv 96/97 games. Emperor is just a support point.

About Get Rekt, I agree it might be somewhat high, but it's kinda hard to find a precise ranking for a game that is 100% made of bosses (OK, stage 3 has some actual platforming at the end, but that's quite much the same as nothing to measure the game's difficulty) in the midst of a lot of platforming games (And I am quite sure that none, or nearly none of the Lv 85- bosses is harder than RNG or Klazen's 2nd phase).
I'm quite sure that Rekt is worthy being somewhere at the 80s, though, I just don't know the exact level. 85 was a random number I came up with to leave it below Sunspike (Because of IA's full Boss fight) and above Rainbow Miku (Because Rainbow Miku, plz).
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Zero-G on February 01, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
you dont seem to know whats in the extra.i might even say to level "I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]" 1 higher.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on February 01, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
you dont seem to know whats in the extra.i might even say to level "I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]" 1 higher.
Well, from what I've saw, Possible is quite soft (Again, relatively) and Needle Satan is hard, but I wouldn't name it as harder than Ario's Screen on 3 Makers 3. Probably the same for Contrary, too. TAS is a different matter, though. Maybe it's the same level, maybe it's easier, maybe it's harder, I can't decide at all. However, if I'm not mistaken, 3 Makers 3 still has Leehee Screen, which seems to be quite harder than Ario's (I don't know at all because there is no video of that Screen). Maybe putting Kamilia 3 at the same level as Emperor was a bit too extreme, but I still don't think that it should be at 96.
So, instead of lowering Kamilia 3, maybe leveling 3 Makers 3, Cherry [Oblivion] and TAS would work better.

Lv 96: I wanna Kill the Kamilia 3 [Clear] [No secret]
Lv 97: I wanna Kill the Kamilia 3 [Clear] [Find Secret] [Extra]
Lv 98: I wanna be the Cherry [Oblivion]
Lv 98: I wanna Break the 3 Makers 3 [Clear]
Lv 98: I wanna be the TAS [Clear]

Does that sound better?
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Zero-G on February 01, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
hidden stages and hidden bosses =/= extra bosses

just saying.

the hidden stage's you mentioned doesnt make the game harder really,it just adds content.let me call them a joke compared to what im talking about since you seem to not understand whats up(no offense).the EXTRA bosses are still in work ,we got to see "you" testplay "the rings of rainbow" boss created by ヨーヨー and its definitly as hard as tis, maybe even harder and thats the 1st + easiest of the extra bosses.

2nd thing

3 makers 3 was impossible until recently lol and nobody really cares about that game cause of that.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: lemonxreaper on February 01, 2015, 10:08:06 PM
Nobody cares about 3 makers 3, it might not even be possible.
All anyone has seen of the extra's so far is like 30 seconds of the easiest boss.
TAS is pretty much down to the boss with is pattern.
cherry I dunno.

I dunno what you are basing these ratings on, since I didn't see you play, but w/e, seems kinda arbitrary.

honestly there's not even a reason for this list to exist.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on February 01, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
hidden stages and hidden bosses =/= extra bosses

just saying.

the hidden stage's you mentioned doesnt make the game harder really,it just adds content.let me call them a joke compared to what im talking about since you seem to not understand whats up(no offense).the EXTRA bosses are still in work ,we got to see "you" testplay "the rings of rainbow" boss created by ヨーヨー and its definitly as hard as tis, maybe even harder and thats the 1st + easiest of the extra bosses.

2nd thing

3 makers 3 was impossible until recently lol and nobody really cares about that game cause of that.
Well, if they are still on work, why are we counting them now? '-'
If Extra =/= Secret, maybe we can add a rank for Kamilia 3 extra when the Extra is released. For now, discussing it is pointless (Knowing Kamilia 3, this might even push the game up to 99. Or make no difference at all, if the bosses end up nerfed).
Also, the fact of no one caring about 3 Makers doesn't change much. After all, Love Trap Extra is still known as impossible, and that doesn't change its Lv 99.

Nobody cares about 3 makers 3, it might not even be possible.
All anyone has seen of the extra's so far is like 30 seconds of the easiest boss.
TAS is pretty much down to the boss with is pattern.
cherry I dunno.

I dunno what you are basing these ratings on, since I didn't see you play, but w/e, seems kinda arbitrary.

honestly there's not even a reason for this list to exist.
Well, this list is more arbitrary than anything. I'm just trying to fix some of it here.
Also, "This list should be seen as a “suggested fangame” list for players for whatever level they seek". This list does have a reason. It's just not working exactly well.

(I just noticed, this topic got quite more lively because of Kamilia 3's discussion. I should make suggestions like that more often. Maybe Chokochoko as Lv 70 is up next?  :Kappa: )
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Zero-G on February 01, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Well, if they are still on work, why are we counting them now? '-'
If Extra =/= Secret, maybe we can add a rank for Kamilia 3 extra when the Extra is released.

you mean like the one you were talking about earlier aka already exists?

Lv 97 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]

https://i.imgur.com/ndDAOKZ.png  <-- as possible as legit brute of a man,happil2 and old break the makers 3.enjoy lol LVL 99.9 good luck figuring out the block skip advanced technique.

im out of here.have fun with the list.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: SmokeyCR on February 01, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
Well, if they are still on work, why are we counting them now? '-'
If Extra =/= Secret, maybe we can add a rank for Kamilia 3 extra when the Extra is released.

you mean like the one you were talking about earlier aka already exists?

Lv 97 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3   [Clear]   [Find Secret] [Extra]
And now I am really confused. Was Kamilia 3 Extra released, or not? From what you said on your earlier post, it's still being worked on, and you saw an testplay, and thus it's pointless to talk about it while it's not complete. Also, from what you've said, I mistook Extra for Secret, and Extra still doesn't exist. Or maybe I'm not understanding anything of what you are saying.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: BBF on February 02, 2015, 10:23:04 AM
If I remember right Kamilia stated Extra Boss 4 at Level 99 on the K3 blog he used to have on Niconico, so there's that.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Kilp on April 05, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
I wonder when this list will finally be updated, though I have 2 more suggestions for this list:

Lv: 52: I wanna be the Air - This was a pretty long trap game that had 8 stages, a few stages had some gimmicks though overall I think lv. 52 sounds right for it.
Lv: 65: I wanna be the Justice easy ver - The easier version of Justice, however, I'm not sure how much every boss is nerfed in this version.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: InNoRush on April 21, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
Any chance of resurrecting this thread? Even if it's outdated, the rankings are super helpful to new players like me who are looking for an appropriate challenge to develop skills.
Title: Re: Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Post by: Joni on July 10, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
You can find ratings in difficulty and quality of games on www.delicious-fruit.com . It's a great resource for people new to the fangame community.