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Western Fangame Rankings [W-Level]
Hectorpaddy:
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--- Quote from: Hectorpaddy on August 16, 2014, 11:50:56 AM ---I think I wanna beat the spikes series should be ranked (:Kappa:)
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I actually do want to do this, just need some more opinions from everyone about what beat the spikes 1-final should be rated.
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I would do the Rankings like this:
I wanna beat the Spikes(no extra): ~lv60
I wanna beat the Spikes 2(no extra): ~lv59
I wanna beat the Spikes 2(extra): ~lv63
I wanna beat the Spikes 3(no extra): ~lv63
I wanna beat the Spikes 4: ~lv86
I wanna beat the Spikes 5(no extra): ~lv87
I wanna beat the Spikes 6(with/without extra since the extra doesn't affect the difficulty really): lv90/91
I wanna beat the Spikes final: lv92
Kinata:
This sounds reasonable, but I don't think the extra stages are significant enough to merit inclusion.
Also, this list is clearly stagnant. Barely any changes have been made, and barely any real discussion has ever occurred in this thread (people post rank suggestions, at most one or two responses occur). Drastic measures are in order. I suggest Sword just take every suggestion that has been made so far and incorporate it into the list. This will get the ball rolling and give us a better sense of what system we will use to determine new iterations of the list.
If someone sees on the first post that a change has occurred that they disagree with, they can post their dissent here and start a more nuanced discussion. People don't feel so motivated discuss theoretical changes mentioned in random posts, but actually seeing something on the list that seems wrong would more likely spark an actual discussion (like the many discussions we've had pointing out the mistakes in the M-level list).
ethinthenougathorn:
i wonder if butterfly nova possible mod also means that the insane jump also got nerfed(ceiling + saves)?
ShadowsDieAway:
Thanks for this thread, helps a lot with figuring out which games I need to play first to get more experienced. Also geez, now I know how much I'm really torturing myself when playing TAS and K3.
SmokeyCR:
Hello, everybody. I was looking at this list and decided to create an account to contribute with it, so...
I'll start with my opinion about what already is on the list:
--- Quote ---Lv 00 : I Wanna See the Barrage [CLEAR]
Lv 04 : I Wanna Be The Very Easy Game
Lv 05 : I Wanna be the ChokoChoko [CLEAR]
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Someone already said that in this thread, but the difference between these isn't that high. While it's true that beginners might struggle with ChokoChoko because of the vine jumps, it's also true that beginners might not understand that you don't need to move at See the Barrage (And it's more possible, too). I would rate Very Easy Game as lower than both of those, since it's the only game out of the three where the objective is clear. I think that the ranking should be something among these lines:
Lv 02: I wanna Be the Very Easy Game
Lv 03: I wanna See the Barrage
Lv 03: I wanna be the ChokoChoko
--- Quote ---Lv 16 : I Wanna be the GGM[Medium]
Lv 23 : I Wanna Conquer The Blow Game [Medium]
Lv 25 : I Wanna Enjoy the Game [Medium]
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I'm sure that the difference between GGM and Conquer the Blow isn't 7 LVLs high. While Conquer the Blow may be longer, GGM has harder jumps. Also, Conquer the Blow is WAY closer to Enjoy the Game than it should be. Enjoy the Game has some confusing traps at the Gray World, making the jumps harder AND making you think a little bit about how to dodge the traps (Something that is lacking on GGM and Conquer the Blow). The bosses at Conquer the Blow and Enjoy the Game are nearly at the same level, too. Thus, I think that Conquer the Blow should be lowered by a few levels. My suggestion is:
Lv 19: I Wanna Conquer The Blow Game [Medium]
--- Quote ---Lv 29 : I Wanna Be The Heart
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I think that this one should be higher for two reasons. First, the jumps at this game are close to I Wanna be the Art's difficulty.
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This area is particularly annoying.Second reason is, while Art is a short maze of screens, Heart is an exploring game where you must find all of the three evil apples and defeat them to unlock the Final Boss. Art might be more confusing, but Heart is way longer. Thus, I think that both should be at the same level:
Lv 39: I Wanna Be The Heart
--- Quote ---Lv 47 : I Wanna be the Popularity [Medium]
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Popularity isn't that bad on Medium. Definitively, not higher than Escape the Volcano, or Macaron. I would rate it as Lv 40, at most:
Lv 40: I Wanna be the Popularity [Medium]
--- Quote ---Lv 57 : I Wanna Be The Sunflower FAIRY Kid Mode [Easy]
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I'm just curious about this one. Is there any difference between this one and the original Sunflower Fairy?
--- Quote ---Lv 62 : I Wanna be the Guy : Gaiden [Medium] [Demo]
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No. Just no. I didn't see Rose Gear, Tribute, Fangame and Best Guy at lower levels to see Guy: Gaiden at Lv 62. Please, don't.
Guy: Gaiden has only two or three really hard saves (And it seems like one of them was nerfed). Everything else is a matter of simple skill and patience. The final boss is easy, and the sub-bosses at 1.1 and 1.2 aren't that bad either. Best Guy has some brutally hard bosses, Rose Gear has harder bosses AND saves (Even without extra), Fangame has some brutally hard saves near the end and Tribute has some of the cheapest RNGs i've ever seen. To me, Guy: Gaiden should be lower than all of those, so, I would suggest:
Lv 50 : I Wanna be the Guy : Gaiden [Medium] [Demo]
--- Quote ---Lv 65 : I Wanna Take the Time-machine [Normal]
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I was going to leave this alone, but...
--- Quote ---Lv 67 : I Wanna Be The 8bit [Demo] [Hard]
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Time-machine is definitively harder than this one. 8bit might have some harder needles, but Time-machine's bosses are far harder. Sonic & Mario require precision and good memory, Snowman has the old and good cheap RNG, Ryu destroys the floor at the speed of the sound, Solgryn has 3 forms and you must defeat all of them in one try, and Influka is Influka...Enough said. Plus, Time-machine is way longer. Thus, I don't see how can 8bit be higher. I would rate Time-Machine as:
Lv 68: I Wanna Take the Time-machine [Normal]
Because I didn't play any of the Lv 69 games and I don't think I can put it at the same level as Sharpness.
--- Quote ---Lv 68 : I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 1 [Medium]
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Again, I'm just curious about this one. Why is Kamilia 1 so high? I mean, I know that it's hard as hell, but I don't recall it being harder than some of the games I've seen at lower levels on this list.
--- Quote ---Lv 68 : I Wanna CELEBRATE 100 [Medium]
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No. Please, don't. This is even worse than Guy: Gaiden at Lv 62.
Few areas are really hard at this game, and I'm sure that none of them is worthy of a Lv 68 rating. The hardest boss in the game is Cirno, and even she isn't that hard. Sorry, I can't see this game as harder than I Wanna Macaron or FC in any way. I would rate it as Lv 44, but that would be too extreme, so my suggestion is:
Lv 47 : I Wanna CELEBRATE 100 [Medium]
Since it's still a long game.
Now, moving on to the other suggestions:
--- Quote from: Kilp on June 07, 2014, 03:44:04 PM ---Alright, so here are my suggestions for this list:
Lv: 21: I wanna Giripossible - This was a very easy 100 floor game, had about 15 deaths when I beat it.
Lv: 20: I wanna be the NCE 1 - This was also very easy, had a gate jump avoidance at the end.
Lv: 52: I wanna enjoy the game 2 - This was a pretty long and well made trigger game. The last boss was pretty hard though.
Lv: 55: I wanna be the Yassan: The game had some bosses that could give you bad RNG, plus some of the rooms were a bit challenging.
Lv: 27: I wanna vanish needles: This was an easy game with 6 stages, plus the last boss is easy.
Lv: 54: I wanna be the starter: This had about medium level difficulty overall. bosses aren't too bad.
Lv: 44: I wanna be the Piyopiyo Trap easy ver.: The game was pretty easy though it had some gimmicks that relied on luck.
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NCE is far harder than Giripossible, Enjoy the Game and Conquer the Blow. The Gate Jump avoidance requires a lot of patience and timing. Some of its jumps might be troublesome, as well.
I also think that Yassan should be higher than Sunflower Fairy and 3200 min, mainly because the bosses that can give you bad RNG, will often do so. Things get even worse because of their high HP.
Also, I think that Enjoy the Game 2 should be higher. Not only the Final Boss, but also the White Cherry was really hard (To me, it was even harder than the Final Boss). Although, not as high as Rose Gear.
I would rate these as:
Lv 35: I wanna be the NCE 1
Lv 55: I wanna Enjoy the Game 2
Lv 63: I wanna be the Yassan
--- Quote from: Kilp on August 20, 2014, 04:53:26 PM ---I also have a few more suggestions:
Lv: 48: I wanna be the Experience
Lv: 48: I wanna be the Green Moon
Lv: 49: I wanna be the Payment
Lv: 70: I wanna be the magnanimity
Also Yellow Star should be lowered to lv.46 as that was mostly an easy game.
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I agree with Experience and Magnanimity (I didn't play the other ones).
--- Quote from: Kefit on September 19, 2014, 02:54:38 AM ---Suggestions:
Lv 69: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Normal) - This is about the same level as Genius, I think.
Lv 89: I Wanna be the Fodomia - Around the same level as Needle Satan due to the very difficult final area.
Lv 90: I Wanna be the Catharsis (Hard) - Again, around the same level as Needle Satan.
Lv 94: I Wanna be the Crimson Needle - Denferok says this is harder than MMM. I might even give this a 95 if I was feeling cheeky.
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I think that Catharsis (Normal) should be higher, something around Lv 77 (I can't see it as easier than Heaven Trap 1).
That's it for now, I'll make another post with my suggestions later (I still have to replay some games to check their difficulty).
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