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Mod Talk
Kamilia:
Kamilia: hello
Starz0r: hai
Ratko: yo
Ratko: you added me on facebook
Kamilia: again pls
Ratko: i'm here to interprete what kamilia wants to tell you now
Starz0r: what is that?
Ratko: i just heard you guys are talking about modification
Ratko: it's not about to say no to modify games for fun.
Ratko: but
*** Kamilia added sunbla ***
Ratko: you have to understand how people from different country insist about the action.
Ratko: so i think that we should refrain from registering the games on open community in which everyone can see.
Starz0r: My forum isn't really, how you say, that public
Starz0r: we only have so many members
Starz0r: around 160
Starz0r: and 1/6 is spambots
Ratko: this is now, but you don't know about the future in community
Ratko: you know you are promoting your forum through doruppi.
Starz0r: sorry bad internet
Ratko: also, there are a lot of people knowing about modification morethan population in the forum
Ratko: and some of japanese producers mentioned they would stop making the game since they realized the situation.
Kamilia: ok
Ratko: it's hard to contact just because of the language problem.
Ratko: and also the cultures.
Starz0r: Why won't anti-decompiler help
Starz0r: I mean
Starz0r: Kamilia 2 and 3 have it
Ratko: what do you mean there are anti-decompiler helping kamilia 2 and 3?
Starz0r: well
Starz0r: it curtainly stopped people from
Starz0r: decompiling it
Starz0r: and copying it
Starz0r: even thought
Starz0r: anti-decompiler doesn't fix the problem completly
Starz0r: some people can still
Starz0r: recompile
Starz0r: fairly easily in that sense
Starz0r: I have many friends who can break the protection
Starz0r: I do understand the risk of decompile and modification
Starz0r: but most mods are to
Starz0r: fix problems such as repeating music
Starz0r: and
Starz0r: standard iwbtg sprites
Starz0r: or tilesets
Starz0r: yes
Starz0r: not many people do not understand how to break it
Starz0r: Decompiling doesn't fix anyproblem I guess
Starz0r: I see
Ratko: we already realize stopping them is impossible.
Starz0r: most people will decompile
Starz0r: most people will share the gmk from the decompiler
Starz0r: most people will mod and share it
sunbla: sorry i was busy. if its really a problem with the mod i can make it private
Starz0r: deleting the board on the forum will do nothing
Ratko: but it's not only anti decompiler but also decomplier people are not really aware of.
sunbla: i dont want any trouble. we just made that mod for pure fun. with full credit to the creator
sunbla: i like and know a lot of the japanese creators and they are very nice
Ratko: did you guys try to contact to the producers to get a permission?
Starz0r: Most of the time no
sunbla: i have no idea who made meteor stream sorry:(
Starz0r: there is probably one mod that was there that the creator allowed us to make
sunbla: otherwise i would
Starz0r: But he soon fix it himself
Starz0r: I can't contact all japanese fangame creators to fix mistakes
Ratko: i understand
Starz0r: That is why mods exists
Starz0r: to fix things that the orginal creator didn't do
sunbla: ratko you mean the meteor stream mod right now i think?
Ratko: i have no idea.
sunbla: (worry)
Ratko: i'm here to interprete the conversation here.
sunbla: oh ok
sunbla: to be really honest. i am totally against modifications on normal games. like changing hitboxes or level design or boss hitpoints
Ratko: kamilia suggests!
Ratko: that
Ratko: he wants you stop registering the games you modded for fun but it is okay to share on skype.
Starz0r: hm
Ratko: how about that
sunbla: okay it is fine for me
Starz0r: I guess that is fine
sunbla: i didnt mean it offensive in any way
Starz0r: I will have to notify the forum of this change
sunbla: you can tell that kamilia
Starz0r: Well
Starz0r: If you think the size of the community is small
Starz0r: you can advertise it on twitter
Starz0r: And have more people join
Starz0r: we have more advance conversations
Starz0r: like guides on completing jumps
Ratko: he is not talking about the size of the forum
Ratko: he is talking about the biggest problem we have now
Starz0r: Which is?
Ratko: that the modded version has been exposed on open forum.
Ratko: without producers's awareness
Ratko: and i don't recommend you to google the korean words.
Ratko: google translation sucks.
sunbla: https:fangamecommunity.x10host.com/forum/index.php?topic=363.msg2234#msg2234 fixed
Starz0r: idk it seems pretty good
Ratko: if you really mean to respect the original producer i think you should delete the post.
Ratko: if the size of the coummunity is small then why don't you share the game to people you know on skype.
Ratko: i'm probably sure you know a lot of them and have them on skype.
Ratko: the biggest reason why the post must be deleted is that we don't want to let people know the word "..
Starz0r: we have contests
Starz0r: and awards for clearning curtain fangames
Starz0r: We also have a korean only board
Starz0r: https:fangamecommunity.x10host.com/forum/index.php?board=34.0
Ratko: actually
Ratko: kamilia joined already
Ratko: and also posted
Starz0r: yes
Starz0r: I was actually talking about you Ratko
Ratko: oh
Ratko: me
Ratko: i'm not really a i wanna player or producer even though i helped opening up international i wanna fangame match with gukka for twice.
Ratko: and the thing that i can no long help you guys is
Ratko: i will join the millitary service in korea in a week.
Ratko: ane will spend time for 2 years.
Ratko: anyway
Ratko: i will join the forum too
Ratko: good luck man
Ratko: are you sure is it gone
Ratko: To me and japanese people, it is positive to mod for private fun but negative for being public.
Ratko: i hope you to explain this to the other people in your forum or else.
Ratko: please.
Ratko: you know decompiler and anti-decompiler are not really public. and
Ratko: if these are being continuosly opened, people from different countries might wanna modify and fix.
Ratko: and this will be the problem because
Ratko: i mean if the games are gone to wiki beyond the community.
Ratko: alright
Ratko: we are done talking.
Kamilia: thx
Kamilia: :O
Ratko: if you have some words to kamilia or japanese producers
Ratko: you may say it here.
sunbla: well just sorry if someone understood it wrong. i really respect every fangame creator
Ratko: thanks
Hectorpaddy:
This Forum is not the official I wanna be the wiki, which is the main central of fangames, it is our forum of our community, there are different communities, so who are you to directly forbid us what we do? Saying that this forum would be bigger of a deal that using Skype or other private medias is pretty pointless, since the result is exactly the same, just that is easier for the maker of the mod. If you release a game you have to risk that people do stuff with it, it's not like you would directly malefit from it, do you?
ethinthenougathorn:
--- Quote from: Hectorpaddy on November 02, 2013, 02:40:46 AM ---If you release a game you have to risk that people do stuff with it, it's not like you would directly malefit from it, do you?
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Of course theres always the risk of people modding it, but: a game maker gets acknowledgement for his games if they are good. And though I dont share this attitude, I can understand makers that get angry when people play mods of their games and not the "official" ones in which the makers spend much time and creativity.
Thats why I also think people can mod games till they throw up and share all over skype but one shouldn't post it since thats kind of an open message to the world to try out the better/cooler/funnier mod.
Hectorpaddy:
--- Quote from: ethinthenougathorn on November 02, 2013, 03:16:08 AM --- a game maker gets acknowledgement for his games if they are good.
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According to you they only get acknowledged if their games are good, in which case there's no need to mod. If the game is bad your point is invalid.
--- Quote from: ethinthenougathorn on November 02, 2013, 03:16:08 AM ---Thats why I also think people can mod games till they throw up and share all over skype but one shouldn't post it since thats kind of an open message to the world to try out the better/cooler/funnier mod.
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As I mentioned before this is not more official then any skype chat is, if you give someone a game over skype you did that officially too and the result is same: you shared the game with other people.
ethinthenougathorn:
--- Quote from: Hectorpaddy on November 02, 2013, 04:25:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: ethinthenougathorn on November 02, 2013, 03:16:08 AM --- a game maker gets acknowledgement for his games if they are good.
--- End quote ---
According to you they only get acknowledged if their games are good, in which case there's no need to mod. If the game is bad your point is invalid.
--- End quote ---
most modded games are decent challenges, where people want to improve several aspects. bad games usually dont get modded
since you`d have to change the whole game.
--- Quote from: Hectorpaddy on November 02, 2013, 04:25:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: ethinthenougathorn on November 02, 2013, 03:16:08 AM ---Thats why I also think people can mod games till they throw up and share all over skype but one shouldn't post it since thats kind of an open message to the world to try out the better/cooler/funnier mod.
--- End quote ---
As I mentioned before this is not more official then any skype chat is, if you give someone a game over skype you did that officially too and the result is same: you shared the game with other people.
--- End quote ---
of course your attitude is comprehensible, but still one is public and one is private, so in my opinion its a difference. when i have some cool links or pictures, i also have reasons for sending it to mates privately instead of posting it for everyone on fb.
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