I Wanna Community
Fangames => Help, Suggestions & Feedback => Topic started by: Zurai on October 15, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
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Hey guys,
Sunbla told me about his idea to overhaul the Application system for the team.
The idea is to nominate people for the Team and and create a vote here on the Forum to accept the nominated
person or not.
I like this idea a lot but we have to discuss the details of this.
In my opinion it should be only Team internal so only current "Wannabes" can vote for a nominated person.
So we need Starzor to create a Team-Only-Board and give Wannabes access to that. Even better would be if
the board would be viewable by the publicity but only Wannabes can still vote. I don't know if that's something the
forum functions can offer.
I didn't give this too many thoughts but it would be nice if we could have a discussion about this topic here.
Peace :atkHappy:
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i think a backroom would be nice for something like this .i dont think its a problem to make a thingy that is viewable by a group!
would be the same like how the admin threads work.
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Yea I know, but the Admin board is not visible for the Normal Users. But it would be cool if the "Vote-Board" or
whatever is viewable by everyone but only wannabes can write into/use it.
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Only issue I see is getting more of our team members to actually become active on this forum. With only a fraction of the people checking in here, a system like this could leave the decision up to the handful that do. It's not a bad idea though.
I struggled with the same problem on my guild forum, always having to nudge people to hop in once a day or so.
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Is it fine if I move this to the suggestions board? I'd think we should get a wider populous of people. Plus most people on the team aren't 'mods' or 'admins' so they won't be able to see this post.
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Hmm, maybe you should do that. Let me just delete my post before :Kappa: b
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ok
:IceFairy:
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I was hoping there'd be some kind of voting system added, but I don't think it should be publicly viewable.
Last thing I want is to say "no" and have the person see it and get mad at me.
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the voting should be like a normal poll. so basically all votes by the members are anonymous
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The chosen person has to sign up before they can get nominated obviously. We could keep the current application system but lower the requirements (or maybe completely remove them.) When someone contacts me I could post a thread in a new application voting board providing links to the applicants livestream.
The reason why I havn't done this already is because the poll could easily be abused. Do we only allow the current members to vote? Should there be a time frame? (eg you would have to get a certain amount of votes in a week) etc.
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A week sounds good. But I would still stick with the nomination system so every Team-Member is able to nominate a streamer.
The reason is to help people expand their viewership.
For example if I nominate a person which maybe no one knows, people would start checking out the stream and maybe give them
automatically a follow. So a nomination is also some kind of passive adverstisement for the streamer.
This would maybe benefit the community more than you think and motivate non-team-streamers to increase the quality of their stream
in hope to get nominated.
Do we only allow the current members to vote?
Yes, definitly. In my opinion it should be a Team internal decision.
Therefore we need the Team-Board which Starzor had to setup and give every current Team-Member a rank so he can view the board.
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the voting should be like a normal poll. so basically all votes by the members are anonymous
I was thinking we would post our thoughts along with a yes or no instead of just using a poll. I'd much rather post "I vote no for Denferok because he showed his boobs on stream" than just click a no and possibly have other people vote yes without knowing that he flashed while streaming.
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Than do that, nothing is holding you off from that :atkHappy: Also if the board is viewable by the publicity, you can post constructive criticisimn instead of bashing the streamer and explain your thoughts why you voted for "No" (even tho I would like to see Dens boobies)
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Well we have to make sure the chosen person actually wants to be added, there are private streamers that don't want viewers, raids and such.
Also not asking them before nominating them is rude
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Hmm yea that's true, but at the end it's the streamer himself who decides if he wants to accept the invite or not
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I know I'm the extreme minority here, but I don't like the nomination system. I'll try to back my vote up with a few pieces of evidence:
1. Nominations are biased. Of course, a majority needs to "like" the applicant for that applicant to be accepted, but something doesn't feel right about it. Friend groups can lobby for each other, which I can see as ending poorly in some situations.
2. This relies on the forums to vote. The forums, themselves, aren't as active as other community sites. While this is unfortunate, it also hurts the voting system. Members that only check the forums once a month (or so) may not get a chance to vote - and in a small community like our own, every vote counts.
3. I believe the initiative needs to come from the streamer, not the community. A streamer needs to have enough initiative to come to the forums (or whatever) and post an application. Maybe through this we could publicly host a vote on an application, but I think that relying on the community to nominate streamers is not involving the streamer enough. If a streamer takes the time to fill out an application, they have shown that (at the very least) they express interest in joining. Relying on community members to nominate you seems ... off.
That's just my justification for why I voted no here. I know its literally the only no vote, so I expect flak for it. Thanks.
Edit: Because I'm going to be asked "what do you suggest then," here's the process that I would adopt, and this is what I've used for teams I've captain'd in old FPS leagues:
1. Player expresses interest in group. Interacts with community somewhat frequently over a given time span.
2. Player fills out a set application with genuine answers to questions regarding their availability, their interests, etc.
3. Application is handled by a moderator (or equivalent) first. This person quickly reviews the app to make sure it is legitimate and not a troll app.
4. If given the ok, application is then posted in a part of the forum (or equivalent) for all current members to see and approve/deny.
5. No comments may be given to the player directly - all discussion takes place within the forum (or equivalent) amongst members.
6. At least 60% of the community must agree on the application, with a minimum of 20 votes. No set time for application decision, typically a few days after 20 votes have been reached.
7. If player is accepted, welcome to the team. If not, that player may try again after a probation period of 3 months. After 3 months, they may submit another application.
This does involve some dedication from the community, but ultimately puts less emphasis on us and more emphasis on the player/streamer. They need to make the decision to apply - sometimes not an easy task! My process is similar to Zurai's in that the community ultimately votes on if they're in or not...but I cut out the nomination stuff. Yes, I know I'll get flak for this. I'd be more than happy to help run applications if this process is considered, I used to do it all the time for a very active FPS team (100+ members, at least 5 applications a day at its peak).
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That's pretty similar to how admin applications work in another gaming community I'm in, but again, the problem is that we don't have a lot of forum interaction and need to find a way around that. We could possibly make a Skype group for all the Wannabes and ask there or maybe make a forum post and send Twitch messages to everyone on the team saying to check the forums. I do agree that making the player apply on their own is better, though. Dunno why you'd expect to get flak when your idea isn't going super against everything. I treated the "yes" option as a "Yes, I want the community to vote on new members" rather than a "Yes, the nomination system is what we have to do."
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I really like your idea TJ! Don't downplay your own suggestions dude :atkHappy:
I pretty much agree with every point in your post and I think this is the way we should go.
So what has to be done is:
-Create a Team Board which is ONLY viewable by the Team-Members so we can share our thoughts about the applicants
-Get in contact with each other (maybe a Skype group?)
-Promote every wannabe on the Forum so he can access the new Team-Board
(-Overhaul the application system/requirements?)
Still feel free to post your thoughts about this Topic tho!
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Sounds good tj
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I really like your idea TJ! Don't downplay your own suggestions dude :atkHappy:
I pretty much agree with every point in your post and I think this is the way we should go.
So what has to be done is:
-Create a Team Board which is ONLY viewable by the Team-Members so we can share our thoughts about the applicants
-Get in contact with each other (maybe a Skype group?)
-Promote every wannabe on the Forum so he can access the new Team-Board
(-Overhaul the application system/requirements?)
Still feel free to post your thoughts about this Topic tho!
I'm glad there's been positive feedback about my idea, but it's nothing new - only really copy/pasted from "normal" team applications, with some minor changes.
Regarding the forum issue - there needs to be a way to organize the forum to have a Wannabes-only application room. I'm not exactly sure how to go about doing this on these forums, but hopefully that can be worked out somehow. If the forum issue is fixed, then we're set to go at any time once the application is done. I'd recommend using google docs (or some equivalent) as a way of submitting applications, so the link to the google doc is linked in the Wannabes-only application room for us to review.
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Regarding the forum issue - there needs to be a way to organize the forum to have a Wannabes-only application room. I'm not exactly sure how to go about doing this on these forums, but hopefully that can be worked out somehow.
That's probably the least of our issues when it comes to voting.
The biggest problem is getting people to actually come to the forums.
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Is there actually someone working on this?